Unfinished metal song

[mrlindeman]

unfinished but showing potential i think

[joedan69]

Originally Posted by mrlindeman

unfinished but showing potential i think

is that an amp sim?
the guitars are really gainy and fizzy.
and are they in mono?
but the drums sound pretty good, whatever they are

[ryanoliver]

Could be cool. Guitar tone needs work. It's very bass heavy, mid lacking, and it sounds mono. Are you doubling and hard panning?

Great drum programming!

[mrlindeman]

The guiter was recorded with an mx50 condenser mic. The guitar was an ltd ex-50. I used a peavy audition amp single 12. I went for the fizz sound because of the way I will be recording the bass guiter track. That was 2 recorded tracks that were doubled then panned 50/50 and 100/100, I did some mixing last night and cut it down to 2 recorded tracks panned 51/51. It helped to clean up the fizz and give more crispness to the guitars, the drums were eq'd as well, I record everything using either protools, m-adio interface, or cuebase with an fp10 fire interface in my home studio. The drums are done via software and live sample mixing in drumsite, great program. I play drums as well but I use the software due to my not having the skills to play at that intensity yet lol, still learning

[cakewalkgg]

the rythm guitar really does sound mono, its hard for me to imagine a bass track requiring that guitar tone.. its really dark, scooped and sizzly.. I cant imagine that tone mixing well with a bass tone and sounding heavy (im assuming thats the sound your going for)
the parts are cool, and the drums sound decent.

If I understand your post correctly, you originally copied tracks and had the 50/50 100/100 panning. Copying tracks usually has no positive effect at all, just adds volume. It sounds like you abandoned the copied tracks (which is good) but try panning the remaining tracks wider.. but I really think the guitar tone has fundamental issues

[Vanan]

May have potential song-wise but I'd take the veterans' advice about the guitar tone. About what frequency would that bass 'whomp' be, that you hear from the guitar. Around 100k? I tend to have troubles with that same frequency rearing it's ugly head in my guitar tone once in a while. Depends on the guitar and pickups I use.

P.S. Still training my ear to pinpoint the frequencies out. Sorry if my question takes over the thread. Apologies in advance.

[cakewalkgg]

Originally Posted by Vanan

May have potential song-wise but I'd take the veterans' advice about the guitar tone. About what frequency would that bass 'whomp' be, that you hear from the guitar. Around 100k? I tend to have troubles with that same frequency rearing it's ugly head in my guitar tone once in a while. Depends on the guitar and pickups I use.

P.S. Still training my ear to pinpoint the frequencies out. Sorry if my question takes over the thread. Apologies in advance.

No, this is a good point, I have a hard time finding the bass battlezone with guitar tones. I think a good approach, at least at the start is to hipass them untill they obviously sound thin in the mix, and then back off a bit.. its the 80k-125k area usually that I find the heavy guit freqs battling more important instuments but it just depends on what else is going on in the mix and what tone needs to own more of that freq range. generally speaking, i find that I have to carve more of the bottom off the guitar tones that I initially think to get things to sit

Its really dependent on the tone itself.. if your looking for crunch, but the whoomph is all in the low-lower end, then the tone is not really crunchy, its just whoomphy.. then carving the bottom off leaves you with an unimpressive tone.. the tone itself needs to live in the right space to begin with and then carve off the unneccessary energy but it will leave the character of the tone there.

The heaviest guitar tones to my ear dont move the speakers all that much.. the jjjjeeeuuummppph of the crunch sounds to me more "rubbery" than "watch the woofers rumble"

I also dont find that the heavy tones are scooped.. the midrange has all the harmonics that make the tones sound phat. Its an easy tendancy to get into because that scooped tone sounds good when your playing it in front of your amp when its turned way up... but the mic doesnt have balls that vibrate or pant legs that tickle its legs when it stands right in front of the amp at mega volume so it percieves the tone by itself and that kind of tone doesnt translate to a recording (or any mic) very well.

sorry for the rant

[ryanoliver]

To mix those guitars you gotta have the bass in there. It's pointless to even touch em until you do. Once you've got that bass and kick workin together, pull up the guitars and start shaving off low end with an HPF. What am I listening for you may ask?

You're listening for the bass. How far do you have to pull that HPF until you hear your bass clearly but retain the integrity of your guitar tone. That's up to you.

Some people say 100, others 150 but me, I find the sweet spot around 200. I think a lot of rockers make the mistake of not having enough bass in the mix when they go to work on the guitars.

[Vanan]

but the mic doesnt have balls that vibrate or pant legs that tickle its legs when it stands right in front of the amp at mega volume so it percieves the tone by itself and that kind of tone doesnt translate to a recording (or any mic) very well.

Good point. I'll have to try standing in front of my speakers in my shorts next time.

[mrlindeman]

These are all great sudgestions,