Routing on the Yamaha 01V96 Digital Mixer????

[thesoundworks]

This is my first posting on recording review. I've recently bought a Yamaha 01V96 digital mixer and I'm having some issues. I learned my engineering on analog boards where with the push of a button and a rotation on the pan knob you send that channel to a specific sub-group. I'm in desperate need to figure out how to do that on the Yamaha. I want to take 6 channels, micing a small drum set, and route them through two or possible even one sub-group. Is this possible, or am I naive and overlooking some small detail? Any help, ASAP, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Baron]

Ok.....where to start......

If you have got around on an analogue desk then you are most of the way there.

What do you want to achieve with the group i.e. do you want to process all the members through a comp, etc or do you just want to control the level of all six inputs from one fader?


You have to treat a digital like your analogue. The only difference is that instead of having to insert and send to outboard gear, you do it all in the desk. What this means though is that you still need to plug everything up but in the desk, this is done virtually.
I would suggest downloading the owner’s manual and having a good read as there are a lot of tricks and pitfalls and it would take a long time to explain it all.

Remember that you can use virtual faders (sort of like VCAs where you group the faders to work together) instead of groups and this has the advantage of less summing issues.

What option cards do you have (if any)?
I ask this as it will effect your options.

Baron



PS. These little desks are quite amazing and really easy to operate once you get past the basics of their operation.
I use a digital desk and output via ADAT lightpipe to get into my DAW. 32 channels with no issues.

[thesoundworks]

In the Yamaha Studio Manager Installation guide it says that the yamaha is compatible with a number of DAW one of which is Protools. But for the life of me I can not make the two talk. Does anyone know how to set up the whole studio manager up!? I've ascertained that there is new firmware, editors as well as USB drivers to be downloaded and installed, and yet somehow nothings happening. SOMEBODY HELP!!!

[brandondrury]

I learned my engineering on analog boards where with the push of a button and a rotation on the pan knob you send that channel to a specific sub-group.

I assume you mean "aux" and not sub group. In every console I could ever afford, the channel either goes to a sub group or bus or it doesn't.

I'm not trying to be an idiot about definitions, I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

I would suggest downloading the owner’s manual and having a good read as there are a lot of tricks and pitfalls and it would take a long time to explain it all.

This is EXTREMELY important with the Yamaha 01V96. I'd say it's impossible to figure it out without the manual. Read it over and over again. It'll start to make sense eventually. Learning this board is about 5x harder than learning a recording program like Cubase or something.

I want to take 6 channels, micing a small drum set, and route them through two or possible even one sub-group. Is this possible,

Again, I need to know if you are speaking of aux sends or busses. Both are possible. I don't have the console right in front of me and I can't remember the exact name of the buttons.

Sending to an aux is easy. If you want to send Channel #1 to Aux #1, you simply click on Aux #1 and push the fader up. It's essentially the same as using a knob, but instead it's a fader.

Sending to a bus is a little different. I think you click on the "Routing" button and you'll see a stack that looks like this
1 2
3 4
5 6
7 8

I don't like the fact that they claim that the Yamaha has 8 busses. It has 4 stereo busses. If you send all your drums to bus #1, they will only play on the left side and you can't pan them. So, you have to run the drums to both Bus #1 and Bus #2. Of course, you have to apply your effects on both busses. This pretty much makes the busses useless for anything I wanted to do. (Maybe there is a way to use them as mono busses, but I never figured it out).

Remember that you can use virtual faders (sort of like VCAs where you group the faders to work together) instead of groups and this has the advantage of less summing issues.

I think they call this "linking", if I remember correctly. For live stuff, I'd put all the drums on Layer #2 and then link them to Fader #1 on layer #1. This way I could control the overall level of the drums with a single fader. I usually didn't need to touch it, but I had it there if I needed it. Of course, if I needed to change something on a specific channel, I had to go to Layer #2 but that was rare.

In the Yamaha Studio Manager Installation guide it says that the yamaha is compatible with a number of DAW one of which is Protools. But for the life of me I can not make the two talk. Does anyone know how to set up the whole studio manager up!?

I thought about using the Yamaha as a control surface. I just never really cared that much. I didn't own the console and I didn't want to get used to having faders and then have to give it back.


Brandon

[dhary]

PS. These little desks are quite amazing and really easy to operate once you get past the basics of their operation.
I use a digital desk and output via ADAT lightpipe to get into my DAW. 32 channels with no issues.

Helo Baron

Could you please tell me how you are using 32 channels of 01V96
And is it possible to use the 40 channels for summing

Im using nuendo with all High quality VSTi. But I need summing OTB.

for routing 24 cahnnels to 01V96 for summing I can use 3xADAT RME HDSP 9652
For 32 channels ????
for 40 channels ????

thanks

[Baron]

Originally Posted by dhary

Helo Baron

Could you please tell me how you are using 32 channels of 01V96

I did not say I ran an 01V96, just a digital console

I run two 16 channel ADAT outputs into a couple of Frontier Dakota cards.

And is it possible to use the 40 channels for summing

Do you mean a separate mix for like monitoring etc?

Yes

Im using nuendo with all High quality VSTi. But I need summing OTB.

I normally refer to my pc as the "BOX" so, I'm getting a bit confused about what you mean here.

for routing 24 cahnnels to 01V96 for summing I can use 3xADAT RME HDSP 9652
For 32 channels ????
for 40 channels ????

As you are using 8 way ADAT outputs this creates a challenge. I would have a chat to your Yamaha dealer to see if you can get 16 channel outputs cards for the 01V.


Baron

[dhary]

Originally Posted by Baron

I did not say I ran an 01V96, just a digital console

I run two 16 channel ADAT outputs into a couple of Frontier Dakota cards.

Do you mean a separate mix for like monitoring etc?

Yes


I normally refer to my pc as the "BOX" so, I'm getting a bit confused about what you mean here.

As you are using 8 way ADAT outputs this creates a challenge. I would have a chat to your Yamaha dealer to see if you can get 16 channel outputs cards for the 01V.


Baron

Thank you for your reply
ITB = I mean mixing out side the BOX(not Computer summing)

I wanted to mix my Nuendo project which has 32 audio channels, routing directly to 01V96. (yamaha said it has a 40 simultaneous inputs????)
Now I can route 24channels via RME HDSP 9652(3xADAT).

thanks

[Baron]

Originally Posted by dhary

Thank you for your reply
ITB = I mean mixing out side the BOX(not Computer summing)

I wanted to mix my Nuendo project which has 32 audio channels, routing directly to 01V96. (yamaha said it has a 40 simultaneous inputs????)
Now I can route 24channels via RME HDSP 9652(3xADAT).

thanks

I'm not sure if you can get more than 24 via digital. What they sometimes mean is that you can run all the inputs to get a total of 40. In this case it looks like you get 8 via onboard ADAT then a further 16 via Mini YGDAI then 12 from mic pre and 4 via line-in. This all adds up to 40.

Baron

[dhary]

Originally Posted by Baron

I'm not sure if you can get more than 24 via digital. What they sometimes mean is that you can run all the inputs to get a total of 40. In this case it looks like you get 8 via onboard ADAT then a further 16 via Mini YGDAI then 12 from mic pre and 4 via line-in. This all adds up to 40.

Baron

Thanks

I'll see what I can do

By the way; Do you know any information about RME HDSP MADI.
I'm wondering wheather I can use that card only for summing my progect.
I heard it has is a 64 channel DSP mixer

All my concern is about the poor mix when I do it internally (ITB only with nuendo ... Aardwark Q10).
There is no sound quality at all.

Any suggestion is apreciated

thanks
Happy mixing

[Baron]

Originally Posted by dhary

By the way; Do you know any information about RME HDSP MADI.
I'm wondering whether I can use that card only for summing my project.
I heard it has is a 64 channel DSP mixer

Yes you can use the "Totalmix" feature however; it is just a mixer/router and will not give you a lot of the features that you get with a DAW.

Originally Posted by dhary

All my concern is about the poor mix when I do it internally (ITB only with Nuendo ... Aardwark Q10).
There is no sound quality at all.

There is a problem here as Nuendo is a very powerful program and should work spectacularly!

What happens?

Is your basic setup configured correctly?

What if you just take two single tracks and mix them together. Does the quality disappear then?

If not then you might have a collective summing issue that is overloading the bus. Try a mix at really low levels for each track. I mean just bring the track up so you can just hear the instrument. This is just an experiment to see if you have a bus summing issue.

I'm off to bed (I am in Oz) but I'll check back in tomorrow.


Baron