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Old 10-03-2009, 01:48 PM
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Lately i have done a few live multichannel recordings with the Edirol M-16DX. The main idea is guite simple - i jut take all the signals from FOH direct outputs and record them separtely in cubase for later mixing. Overall i am quite satisfied with the results, but there are some things that just keep bugging me.
I have noticed that in smaller venues i get a lot of trouble with cymbals. The bastards just seem to bleed into everything. There are certain type (mostly bell-like hits), that go a little bit into almost every other mic you have on stage. During a gig its hardly noticeable, i quess because of the rooms, but when i do the mix at home, these hits really step out in the mix. Its like having a normal mix, and there are a few hits during the song that are much louder than the rest of the drumkit. A few hits that just jump forward.
It would be great if anybody had any ideas how to fight this situation. (carrying acoustic panels ad shielding the drumkit during performances is not an option ). So far i have been able to tame thos hits just a little bit, using a multiband compressor on the final mix, but it doesn't seem to be too effective.
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Old 10-03-2009, 04:35 PM
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If the cymbals are bleeding into everything, make sure you are close miking all the other instruments. Then use a gate so nothing gets through but the source directly in front of it. Are you using any room mics? Mixing them in can work wonders for balancing everything out.
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Everything else is close-miked and gates are used. The trouble is - drummer often is doing those bell-like hits simultaneously with toms or snare, so the bleed happens during that short time the gates are open.
Sadly i usually don't have enough channels to put up some room mics, and in most of the venues here guys don't even have any.
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My #1 tip for keeping the hats out of the snare? Don't use an SM57. Use an Audix i5 and keep it/point it away from the hats.

The other things is, after describing his style, it sounds as though if you were listening to the drummer in the room, you'd hear a lot of cymbal sound. If that's true, it seems silly to try to make that instrument sound totally different than it sounds in real life. Using gates and close miking and whatever else strikes me as a Sisyphean endeavor.
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