Drumagog and Steven Slate drums

[Andrew07]

This combination will help ALL home recoding dudes in small shitty rooms.

Here are two clips. First one is the original drums completely dry. Second is snare, kick, toms replaced 100% with the Steven Slate samples, crash and ride low-passed, and some Altiverb. I'm still not any good at Drumagog, so the tweaking is not perfect. These recordings weren't in my foamed-out smaller than hell room, but I'll post some clips of that during this weekend.

http://www.cherryhillrecording.com/mp3/Without_new.mp3
http://www.cherryhillrecording.com/mp3/With_new.mp3

[brandondrury]

I don't think the room was the biggest problem in your drums. It was the tuning!! GOD!! Who tuned those drums?....or more important.... Who didn't tune those drums!

Without a doubt, the Dramagog drums are the way to go for anyone who doesn't know what the hell they are doing.

Brandon

[Andrew07]

Haha, I don't know how to tune drums. But these were recorded with the intention of replacing. The drummer was an idiot too and looooovvvveeeeddd the sounds of his drums in the room.

I'll post a clip of a shitty horrible recording in a shitty terrible room with a terrible kit later. These samples are already EQ'ed and compressed so they slip into a mix perfectly. I don't record to tape and I don't have a bunch of kick-ass outboard equipment, so even if the drums were tuned properly, I don't think I'd be able to achieve these kinds of results.

[brandondrury]

Haha, I don't know how to tune drums.

Fair enough. I just wanted the readers to know that the room was only a part of shit captured (before you added your Robocock samples).

I don't record to tape and I don't have a bunch of kick-ass outboard equipment, so even if the drums were tuned properly, I don't think I'd be able to achieve these kinds of results.

There is a lot that goes into the modern drum sound. Your samples are pretty kick ass.

I've been using the DFH Superior stuff (which is completely sequenced but more or less in the same ballpark). With the DFH I feel like I have a well tracked kit, but I stil have to mix the shit out of it to get it happening. I've got to really dick with reverbs, compression, etc. Sometimes it's easy to get great sounds. Other times, I'm tearing my hair out.

It would be easier if I didn't have to work so damn hard to get the drums to real cook.

I really liked that kick drum. It had the resonant thing happening in just the right spot.

How much were these Drumagog samples?

Brandon

[Andrew07]

$210 for .wav and GOG (drumagog format). He's also adding cymbals thats a free upgrade. It's also going to be offerred in a bunch of different sampling formats....don't know how any of those work though.

I give you respect for doing the whole MIDI mouse thing dude I just can't work that way. Recording a real acoustic kit then bastardizing the shit out of it works ok for me. Plus I don't know anything more than a simple 4/4 and wouldn't be able to map out complex stuff.

These samples are just really good right out of the box. I don't know this guy or work for him or anything, I just think for $200 these are a great bang for the buck kinda thing.

If anyone wants they can send me their drums files and I'll replace them with these samples

http://www.stevenslatedrums.com/

[brandondrury]

I give you respect for doing the whole MIDI mouse thing dude I just can't work that way. Recording a real acoustic kit then bastardizing the shit out of it works ok for me. Plus I don't know anything more than a simple 4/4 and wouldn't be able to map out complex stuff.

I never really got into the "bastardizing a real kit" thing. Mainly because my old software just wouldn't do it. Cubase can do it without a problem, but I've only recorded drums once with Cubase.

I really like the programming thing. Getting the feel of the song right (pushing in choruses and pulling in verses) can be a bitch, but overall it's not that bad at all.

For me, it's more efficient (both $$ and time) to program them myself than hire a drummer drive 2-3 hours to a City with a real room.

There have been a few times where I've not been able to get what I want by programming, but these have been the rarity.

These days, you are working with a lot of bands, so this Drumagog method is not a bad choice at all. If you were working with a solo artist, I'd recommend trying this.

Of course, if I'm going to produce a record, I'm not going to have complicated drums. If I'm producing, I want something commercially viable. I think, with a few exceptions, that crazy drumming is almost always a distraction from the music....not a benefit. So, when I program, it's usually very simple stuff.

I've learned quite a bit about time signatures and how drums really work with programming because you can see all the little triggers laid out right in front of you.

Brandon

[Bang]

Hey guys. Andrew thanks for the referral, I found this place because some of the members here sent us some emails inquiring about the disc.

Whether you record real drums and replace with samples or you program with samples from scratch, our collection will be of use. We are in the process of making a cymbal pack and mapping the drums for every major sampler out there. I can post some links to some programmed drums that will stunn you! These hits are great when you want the finished, polished, punchy, fat drums sound on your mixes.

If you guys have time, take a listen to the audio demos on the site as well. I look forward to participating in the discussion on this forum, great place, glad I found it!

Steven
www.stevenslatedrums.com

[brandondrury]

Hey Bang (Steve),

I love the idea of using the Steven Slate Drums for programming with Kontakt2 or whatever.

I prefer to either program totally or hire a real drummer and going to a studio with Neve. I'm not big on sound replacer and stuff like that.

I've had very good results with the DFH Superior, but I still really have to work my ass off to get them to really cook. It can be done, but it's sometimes very time consuming and I may not get it right at all.

Your drums seam to kick ass right out of the box. So if I could program and sound like these right out of the box, I'd probably jump right on it.

I think you could give DFH a run for it's money because the DFH stuff still requires mixing. I've been mixing for 5 years now and DFH Superior still pushes me. The sounds are in there, but you have to find them. Beginners to home recording are going to have a hard time when they really have to understand compression and such. It sounds like drums may avoid this entire mess and be great for beginners.

Brandon

[Bang]

Thanks Brandon.

Years ago I bought the first incarnation of DFH in aif format hoping that this would be the answer for me in drums. I quickly learned like you have that its not, the sounds aren't like that of the huge major label sounds slamming off of FM radio, at least not in my opinion. So I became rather obsessed with drum sounds and started making my own samples. When I got to LA I started making friends in high places and before you know it, a lot of the major players were using my hits on their mixes.

So in bringing my collection to the masses, I really hope it works for everyone, from the beginner who doesn't want to spend an hour trying to make a snare cut through a mix, to the advanced guy who wants to show the label that he/she can deliver that huge drum sound that they're paying for. So far I'm thrilled with the success and most of all the happy end users. We're working our asses off here trying to complete the cymbal pack and sampler mappings for programmers such as yourself. I'll post some teaser clips of the drums programmed with a customer's own cymbals.

Steven
www.stevenslatedrums.com

[brandondrury]

So in bringing my collection to the masses, I really hope it works for everyone, from the beginner who doesn't want to spend an hour trying to make a snare cut through a mix,

Oh hell! I spend at least an hour on this myself and I'm no beginner. A beginner would need a year or two!!

I think the DFH stuff has it's place, but it's more of a natural / neutral type of sound. If I want to blow someone's brains out with a drum sound, it takes some work to make it happen.

The DFH stuff is still totally doable and light years beyond what a person could expect to get in crappy room with a crappy drummer with a crappy drumset and crappy tuning.

With that said, I like the "all out doom" approach you have taken. I especially like the room sound...which is probably the weakest link of the DFH stuff. The DFH stuff sounds like it was recorded in a pro studio, but in a small room. Personally, I like the big drum sound most of the time and I want to hear the room on my snare. That's what rock music is to me!

Anyway, I'm excited to see what you guys come up with the programming and such. Keep us up to date.

Btw, Do you guys have an affiliate program? I'd love to promote your stuff for a little commission.

Brandon