Another reverb mix/level/send question?

[gamble]

Hello all,

I am confused about reverb mix/level/send percentages or amounts. I use cubebase LE and it doesnt have effects channels but you can set up a reverb instance that is usable on as many tracks as you like. It comes with the Lexicon effect package.

LE lets you set up 2 insert effects and 4 send effects on each channel, so I will, for example, choose the "Snare Room" reverb effect as Send Effect 1 and apply it in various amounts to the individual drum tracks or the group channel I run all the drums thru.

An earlier post had asked some similar questions about mix percentages and stated at least for most configurations the mix level should be at 100% and the level at some other lessor %.

However, when I set mix and send levels anything above 10% each, the amount that I can apply in each individual track is WAY to much reverb before I even pull up the dial in the individual track up 5%. If I set 100% mix and 50% send out of the reverb unit that is used as Send Effect 1, the slider in the channel is not even precise enough for me to apply such a "small" amount. If I pulled up the "level" on the individual track even 25% of the available amount, the reverb has totally engulfed the whole mix?

Where am I going wrong here?

thanks
gamble

[the evil]

depending on the reverb there may be a wet/dry mix or reverb amout or somethign that lets you adjust the actual amount of reverb being applied to the sent signal in the plug in itself. usually i send it maxed out depending on what im doing, and then adjust the the wet/dry mix or volume fo the aux send to where i want it to be.

Some things i dont understand i where are you sending the aux channel (reverb) is it going to the main mix or are you sending somewhere else?

It sounds like you are sending multiple tracks to the same reverb? Which is fine its just unlear what the percentage amount is.

One way to do this is say for your snare. Your snare track is beind sent to a drum group buss, the aux is sent to lets say snare fx 1, i think i usually have the send amount to 0.00. insert the reverb into the aux channel and adjust the reverb for the sound you want. From this point you can either send the aux channel to the drum buss along with the snare or your stereo mix or wherever. If its too loud adjust the wet/ dry or reverb amount at the plug in or simply pull the fader down at the aux channel until you are satisfied with the result. If you have too much reverb maybe your snare trackisnt being sent to the right place.

The other possibility is on the snare track where you route the snare aux channels if you select a button to the right of the level and turn it orange it think it sends pre fader so it works a little differently. make sure that the button there isnt orange that could be the culprit.

[Jeronimo Mora]

You said you don't have access to fx channels so maybe this solution might help:

Make a copy of the tracks you want reverb on. Make a group channel. And put the insert as the first insert. EQ it, whatever. Send the copy to the group channel and blend to taste. That should be identical to an aux send.

[m24p]

Honestly, that's why I moved away from Cubase. It's not a bad program, but LE is just so crippled.

Reaper is $60, you can get started for free (demo is fully functional) and only pay if you decide you like it and want to use it. And you can easily do sends, among other things. ANY track can send to ANY other track. There's an IO button on each track. Just click an I/O button on one track and drag it to another. TADA! A send.

Honestly I wish I'd switched to Reaper sooner so I didn't waste as much time trying to work in a crippled program. No upfront cost, and if you like it, it's DEFINITELY worth $60. Of course if you love Cubase you could always get the full version of that but that's more like $400, instead of $60 for Reaper.

[gamble]

Hello,

I have LE4, just never came across a need to actually switch over, maybe now is the time, if not I will certainly use LE4 or something better for my next project.
Perhaps the Orange button thing is it, where I can adjust pre/post fader or something. I cant dup any more tracks, I'll want reverb on most of 48 tracks so I cant mult that many. If it is a track that is not run to a group channel, I assume that the reverb is routed to the 2buss, for tracks routed to a group channel it could either be routed to the group buss or the 2buss. But it doesnt seem to matter, if I put 100% mix and any sizeable amount using the "level" slider on the reverb effect plug, I can hardly touch the slider on the individual track without it sounding like im in the Grand Canyon. So I end up setting mix/level on the plug to about 10-15% each and that way I can pull the slider up on the individual track with more "precision" to about 30-50% without drownding in reverb? Maybe is just need to doodle with some different routing?

thanks

gamble

[the evil]

If you dont select where to send the aux track it goes to the stereo out, for me thats not the 2 buss.

You should be able to max out the send to an aux and use the aux fader at a minimum to adjust the reverb or fx going to the stereo out. If you have the fader all the way down on the aux and are still getting the fx than you most likely have something routed wrong. Even if your reverb wet/ dry mix is 100% wet if you have youre fader all the way down you shouldnt be passing any of your send. What happens when you mute the aux channel?

[brandondrury]

Send the copy to the group channel

In Cubase SX3, 5, and 6 (versions I've owned/used) the group channels and fx channels work in very similar ways.

If you have groups, I'd just use those for your reverb sends. Set the reverb to 100%. Done.

it goes to the stereo out, for me thats not the 2 buss.

I don't follow. Do you mean you simply don't call them the same things? Or do you mean Cubase bypasses your 2bus fader and goes straight to the audio interface outputs somehow?

This may help: Killing With Cubase #6: Aux Sends

Brandon