I need help, Tear my first mix apart!

[ialmostshotthem]

Alright, Ive been around tons of other recording forums looking for help. Some did, but it seems here people are getting more direct answers. Uploading the file is taking forever, heres a link.

rr5.mp3

quick and sloppy. But God, is it me or does it sound cheap as HELL? Help me out here!

EDIT: I gave the wrong link. The link had the right download but it had another file.

[morgothik]

A little information about how it was recorded would be helpful. There are definitely some issues that need addressed. Good start though.

[ialmostshotthem]

Originally Posted by morgothik

A little information about how it was recorded would be helpful. There are definitely some issues that need addressed. Good start though.

Wow that was certainly quick, Thanks man!

alright Ill list my equipment

Mics:

2 SM57s
CAD GXL2200
CAD GXL1200

Interface:
Tascam US-122L

Program:
Mixcraft 4(I love it)

Im using a line 6 spider II solid state head hooked into a Legacy cabinet. I have a crate blue voodoo, but I just like the sound out of the Line 6 better.
Fender strat (profesionally set up), hot rails pickups. Good stuff.

I can tell its the combo of drums and guitar for that cheapy crap sound. So how do I go about improving this.

edit: Oh yeah... I recorded guitar with my gxl1200 and an sm57. drums I used 2 57s one overhead, one near the bass. (just Started using recorderman technique just today, much better.)

[morgothik]

I can definitely hear some problems with the rooms acoustics. Did you mic the guitar cabinets? What can you recall about the mic positions on the drums and guitars?

[ialmostshotthem]

Originally Posted by morgothik

I can definitely hear some problems with the rooms acoustics. Did you mic the guitar cabinets? What can you recall about the mic positions on the drums and guitars?

I thought that might have been it...

I have alot of difficulty recorded distorted guitar. But my clean sound is half decent.

so the mic placement on the amp... lets see... I believe I had my pencil condenser about 4" away from the grill near center, and the sm57 about 3' away 2" of center, angled torwards the center. drums were the 57 above the snare, angled torwards the bass. and a pencil condenser overhead looking at the snare.

[mrblitz]

I like this performance, but you could get better guitar tone out of a direct recording with VST plug-ins for distortion/amp.

Mic'd guitar is generally thought to be superior to the line/VST approach. So your mic'd guitar tone needs work; but you already knew that.

As it is, are you in a place where your amp is 'pushing air?' Someone told me that 'pushing air' is necessary for a good, mic'd guitar recording.

Maybe turn the treble on the amp way down, and go for much chunkier tone?

Anyway, you can obviously play.

[PeterSimonRussell]

I think you are in contention for my award for most horrid electric guitar sound ever.
I can't imagine how you could get a Line 6 and a Strat to sound so bad (I just press the heavy metal button on my Line 6 and it sounds just fine), but I'd start by swapping the mics over, 57 near, your small diaphram condenser distant.
You must do something with the room, get some soft funiture in there, cushions duvets, drape stuff in chair backs etc.

Love,

The
Tigs

PS Sorry if I was a bit sharp.

[ialmostshotthem]

Originally Posted by mrblitz

I like this performance, but you could get better guitar tone out of a direct recording with VST plug-ins for distortion/amp.

Mic'd guitar is generally thought to be superior to the line/VST approach. So your mic'd guitar tone needs work; but you already knew that.

As it is, are you in a place where your amp is 'pushing air?' Someone told me that 'pushing air' is necessary for a good, mic'd guitar recording.

Maybe turn the treble on the amp way down, and go for much chunkier tone?

Anyway, you can obviously play.

Thanks! Not quite sure what you mean by pushing air. And Ive tried treblle way down, but it sounds a little muffled.

Originally Posted by PeterSimonRussell

I think you are in contention for my award for most horrid electric guitar sound ever.
I can't imagine how you could get a Line 6 and a Strat to sound so bad (I just press the heavy metal button on my Line 6 and it sounds just fine), but I'd start by swapping the mics over, 57 near, your small diaphram condenser distant.
You must do something with the room, get some soft funiture in there, cushions duvets, drape stuff in chair backs etc.

Love,

The
Tigs

PS Sorry if I was a bit sharp.

No. I need this feedback, it all helps in the process of getting better. Its my bedroom so I have thick blankets, a bed and such in here. But I have heard killer recordings in bedrooms! How do I go about making my room more sound friendly. I have NO money.

And the deal with my amp is the problem. the recordings sound nothing like the actual amp.I know thats how its SUPPOSED to be, but then How do I get a good sound out of this amp? Its perfectly fine.


edit: Would you guys be willing to give me an Idea of EXACTLY what I need to do If I give you all the raw tracks? cuz heres what I did.

2 mics one each guitar track (4 tracks total) track for lead and rhythm panned L and R

2 for drums, slight panning

one centered bass.

[mrblitz]

'Pushing air' in this context means the amp is turned up loud enough that if you were to put your hand in the air in front of the speaker, you'd feel vibrations. It means turning up the amplifier to a 'decent' level.

If your microphone issues aren't resolved, a fallback position would be to record as a line signal, then apply VSTs.

The simulanalog guitar suite probably can't match the richness of a good, mic'd sound; yet on the other hand, the VSTs in it would provide better tone than what you've gotten thus far.

Here is a link to a site with the simulanalog plug-ins:

simulanalog guitar suite

Here's hoping you get this resolved to your own satisfaction; because again, you really can play.

[ialmostshotthem]

Originally Posted by mrblitz

'Pushing air' in this context means the amp is turned up loud enough that if you were to put your hand in the air in front of the speaker, you'd feel vibrations. It means turning up the amplifier to a 'decent' level.

If your microphone issues aren't resolved, a fallback position would be to record as a line signal, then apply VSTs.

The simulanalog guitar suite probably can't match the richness of a good, mic'd sound; yet on the other hand, the VSTs in it would provide better tone than what you've gotten thus far.

Here is a link to a site with the simulanalog plug-ins:

simulanalog guitar suite

Here's hoping you get this resolved to your own satisfaction; because again, you really can play.

Yea my amp is DEF pushing air.

I realized I recorded the guitar at a relatively low volume, and that may have a lot to do with the sound quality, because I turned my amp way up, and recorded with 2 sm57s, and it sounded mucchh better


raw.rar


Raw files. Its big but please, Im begging for more input!!