Stressing the Importance of the Source and Minimal Gear

[lolzgreg]

Originally Posted by charliemantica

Dude, this is amazing!
So, wait, you recorded this thing yourself with a 58?
On the recording, only the guitar is played by you, no?
You think you could give us some of the specifics behind this recording?
Room size and condition would be appreciated...
also, how did you mix it?

SM58 up to the grill of the amp, 5150 cab as well.

Guitar and bass was played by me.

No conditioning in the room. 13x11 boxy little thing.

No fancy mixing. I just doubletracked guitars, hp at 100, dip at 250 for drums.

Bass is untouched aside from a small drop at 250hz for drums.

Drums are compressed with a little transient filtering for punch.

The tone speaks for itself and I've actually gotten much nicer guitar tones since this clip.

-Greg

[humdogj]

Very nice work indeed! I'm shooting for getting my "tone" nailed with the gear I have. I've recorded my own albums before and after all is said and done, I'm happy but not extremely giddy. Heck, I'm most proud of a recording I did with a buddy about 7 years back and I had even less gear back then!

The 5150 is nice but I couldn't afford that right now. I think the amp is nice because that is part of what sits in front of the mic, but I agree with a lot of people and if the song is good, and the emotion is there, and the playing is halfway decent, the recording will come through.

[brandondrury]

Drums are compressed with a little transient filtering for punch.

I've never heard the word "transient filtering". I'm guessing this is a compressor set slow enough to let the peaks through.

Brandon

[gusmartinez]

Awesome tune and recording in my opinion. That's what I want to archive in my home recordings.

Nice one!!

[garageband]

I hates it too when I gots to draw a damn pitcher.

[frshtrx]

so just a little misunderstanding about 'what is "source"'... I read it PP's way at first, and I would imagine Greg's point is almost indisputable.

But Greg - if the 'amp makes or breaks it' why are you pushing Peavey ?! I can hear the Peavey-ness of it, just like the Peavey I returned soon after purchase....maybe this controversy belongs in a different shoot out...? my bad.... have fun!

[garageband]

Greg, it's nice to know people are unnecessarily rude to you, also. I was feeling special for a while.

[lolzgreg]

Originally Posted by frshtrx

so just a little misunderstanding about 'what is "source"'... I read it PP's way at first, and I would imagine Greg's point is almost indisputable.

But Greg - if the 'amp makes or breaks it' why are you pushing Peavey ?! I can hear the Peavey-ness of it, just like the Peavey I returned soon after purchase....maybe this controversy belongs in a different shoot out...? my bad.... have fun!

I'm assuming the "Peavey-ness" was from my 5150 cabinet, which is notorious for having some of the worst speakers in the universe.

I've gotten several new cabinets since then, maybe I oughtta do a new test. I plan on more shootouts as soon as I have time.

Also, Peavey makes some of the best gear for the price point (and just best amps) out there IMHO. I own a Peavey Windsor and a 5150 MK II. If you can't get a good sound out of either of these amps through a Celestion V30 equipped cab with a SM57 (all "standards") you either have a shitty player on your hands or you simply don't know how to engineer. Tone IS subjective, but a 5150, Dual Rectifier or JCM800 has probably been on 9/10 metal recordings in existance. People use them because they're great.

-Greg

[frshtrx]

eh...thanks Greg for choosing to focus on defending your brand choice and not misinterpreting input as actually 'personal'.

so, enlightened by your advocacy of Peavey, I did a search online for any surveys related to 'most recorded amplifier +heavy metal' ... and you know what I learned...
search engines don't work for cr*( any more.
it used to be you could get some decent survey results or good source article info from search engines, but I really couldn't find much...
but I'm with you when you say "notorious for having some of the worst speakers in the universe"
maybe I had one of those
anyways - thanks for all the effort in the sample - have fun

[garageband]

Brand choice is personal. People should be considerate when discussing buying decisions of other people.

I can't remember if it's "Fords rule! Chevys suck" or "Chevys rule, Fords suck".