How about a nice W A R M cup of PRESETS?

[Heinrich Kollner]

Hey I was just wondering if anyone (including Brandon) of you will like the idea of having a preset section here on recordingReview? this includes peavey revalver MKIII, Guitar rig 2 and 3 or any other plugin's presets. almost like Guitarampmodeling.com?

I will like the idea of trading out my presets....Will you?

[brandondrury]

To be honest, I hate just about everything about presets. The only exception are those really weird plugins (Waves Enigma comes to mind) that do way more than you'd expect and need their possibilities illustrated just so you are aware of what a unit can do.

When I swithed from Vegas to Cubase SX3 I lost every preset for ever plugin I had. It was the greatest moment in my life a an audio engineer. I had to actually learn how to use my plugins. I'm a 50x audio engineer today for it.

Now the guitar thing is a bit different than setting a compressor or whatever. While I do have concerns with losing originality, I wouldn't have minded having drum tuning presets on my last recording.

If you get enough people interested in this one, I'll find a place for it somewhere.

Brandon

[whiterabbit_the]

I'm one of those opposed to presets, but I can recall the day I first used Waves C4...I understood compression usage, but didn't really have any idea of where to start plugin wise, versus rackmount.

Currently, I try to keep everything as dry as possible because I like that raw in your face sound, but I could see where this could help others and maybe give inspiration to others.

--Aaron

[Heinrich Kollner]

Originally Posted by whiterabbit_the

I'm one of those opposed to presets, but I can recall the day I first used Waves C4...I understood compression usage, but didn't really have any idea of where to start plugin wise, versus rackmount.

Currently, I try to keep everything as dry as possible because I like that raw in your face sound, but I could see where this could help others and maybe give inspiration to others.

Not everyone has got expensive equipment and not everyone has got the knowledge on how certain plugins work.

I think its a way to share each others creativity.
I'd like to be of help to someone with very limited knowledge of plugins and give them some advice and presets so that they can use that plugin and actually learn from that like what settings i used and for what reasons.

and not everyone has got access to expensive guitar amps and mics, so i think it would be nice to help some one with less experience and less equipment out with cool guitar presets for revaler MKIII, guitar rig 2 and 3, amplitude, waves gtr3 ect. that has got good tone and is usable in songs, i think it opens up for alot more possibilities for beginners

[whiterabbit_the]

That's another way of putting it, haha. I was using Waves C4 as an example

--Aaron

[Vulconizer]

Originally Posted by Heinrich Kollner

I'd like to be of help to someone with very limited knowledge of plugins and give them some advice and presets so that they can use that plugin and actually learn from that like what settings i used and for what reasons.

Good idea in theory, but the " for what reasons " part is the most important aspect, I think.

How would you impart your reasons for coming to the desired settings in your presets? If you can do that, then would there really be a need for the preset?

I understand the get-up-and-running-a.s.a.p. idea behind it, and it's actually real cool.

[marns45]

Personally, when it comes to guitar amp software, I never use presets. But that is because I am a guitar player, and I generally know how to get the sounds I want. When it comes to other plug ins, such as soft synths like FM8 and B4II, I have no idea really how to work them, so I rely heavily on the presets, find something I like then tweak it until I get the sound I was hoping for.

As a beginner, these presets are great because they get you at least part of the way to the sound you are looking for, as opposed to hopelessly searching the dials and buttons in an attempt to figure out what you are doing.

Hence, I would like to put in my vote for a preset section, especially when it comes to virtual instruments and the like.

[brandondrury]

I think its a way to share each others creativity.

That's an interesting perspective because in my experience presets have done little more than killed creativity.

and not everyone has got access to expensive guitar amps and mics, so i think it would be nice to help some one with less experience and less equipment out with cool guitar presets for revaler MKIII, guitar rig 2 and 3, amplitude, waves gtr3 ect.

I don't entirely disagree, but how a person sets their guitar is a personal thing. Zakk Wylde is always immediately identifiable. So is Slash, Eddie Van Halen, etc. I do have worries that we lose some of that individuality.

More importantly, why would you want my presets? Revalver MK3 is the first really good emulator I've heard. This takes 90% of the engineering skill out of the picture. Now it's just an issue of tweaking the amp to sound like what you like. A fear of lack of fidelity is tossed right out the window because that thing just sounds good.

There is a scary undertone to this thinking that there is a "best" guitar sound. It scares the shit out of me to be honest, because it's extremely destructive. Just like on Heinrich's "guitar sound" thread in Recording Reviews I have a feeling there will be all sorts of people getting way to anal about things that are supposed to be part of a musicians individuality. There is always a line we have to cross with audio engineering. I think there are some things that fairly objective. Any instrument that hurts should be dealt with. I always say that if the recording hurts, it gets an automatic F. However, I think we are gonna run into problems where a guy uses a Marshall style sound and a Boogie fan tells him it sucks because it's not a Boogie.

I also see limitations to presets because of different guitars being used, different arrangements, and different tracks underneath those guitars. (That's why there is still 10% engineering left).

With that said, once again, if there is enough interest I'll figure out a place to put it. I just can't think of a reason why I would want to download someone else's presets. It's not about skill, knowledge, or anything like that. I just prefer to salt my meat and potatoes myself.

Brandon

[brandondrury]

I was using Waves C4 as an example

That's another thing. Learning how to work a multi-band compressor of all things (which is NOTHING like a standard compressor) is REALLY tough to get used to in the beginning. Most people don't even know what it does.

There are a zillion retarded guitar players who know what gain, lows, mids, and highs do. In the past the problem was the limitations of the gear itself. Line 6 Spyder is not gonna EVER sound like a 5150, for example. Now the Revalver stuff really can sound like a 5150.

So I guess my question is what lesson can I learn that I can't easily figure out myself for 45 seconds of tweaking?

Brandon

[Heinrich Kollner]

Originally Posted by brandondrury

That's an interesting perspective because in my experience presets have done little more than killed creativity.

that's true in some ways and in some ways not! I think it depends for what purpose the presets are used, but come to think of it....members requesting for presets and downloading them will get more and more lazy and will actually learn slower because everything gets done for them and they don't go through the "trail and error process".

So i don't disagree with you on that! but lets see what the other members think.

Originally Posted by brandondrury

I don't entirely disagree, but how a person sets their guitar is a personal thing. Zakk Wylde is always immediately identifiable. So is Slash, Eddie Van Halen, etc. I do have worries that we lose some of that individuality.

that's very true! this is actually the creativity part

Originally Posted by brandondrury

There is a scary undertone to this thinking that there is a "best" guitar sound. It scares the shit out of me to be honest, because it's extremely destructive. Just like on Heinrich's "guitar sound" thread in Recording Reviews I have a feeling there will be all sorts of people getting way to anal about things that are supposed to be part of a musicians individuality. There is always a line we have to cross with audio engineering. I think there are some things that fairly objective. Any instrument that hurts should be dealt with. I always say that if the recording hurts, it gets an automatic F. However, I think we are gonna run into problems where a guy uses a Marshall style sound and a Boogie fan tells him it sucks because it's not a Boogie.

I'm not one of those guys that disrespects someone Else's guitar tone, even if I dislike it I respect it because it's what that person like and not me!

its like One man's fun is another man's hell!

Originally Posted by brandondrury

I also see limitations to presets because of different guitars being used, different arrangements, and different tracks underneath those guitars. (That's why there is still 10% engineering left).

haven't thought of that!

Originally Posted by brandondrury

With that said, once again, if there is enough interest I'll figure out a place to put it. I just can't think of a reason why I would want to download someone else's presets. It's not about skill, knowledge, or anything like that. I just prefer to salt my meat and potatoes myself.

I prefer to do things myself too!