Who's NOT Upgrading To Cubase 6

[brandondrury]

I just got the email that Cubase 6 is coming out this month. OH BOY! (sarcasm)

In the 5 years from Cubase SX3 and Cubase 5 they managed to scrape together 3 new features. One was the ability "shift click" to select multiple files. The others were adding substandard versions of software I already own (Autotune/Melodyne, etc). I can't remember the third, but I'm sure it was a nice touch, too.

Unless Cubase 6 has some revolutionary new benefit (which I give a 1% chance) I'm not going to upgrade for at least another five years. I'm not holding my breath.

Did anyone catch the Tape Op interview with the Reaper guys? I have to say that I loved their approach. I probably won't have time to try out Reaper for a long, long time, but I had to say that I was impressed by an extremely small software team that actually listened to what people said and continually improved their setup.

[Tony Ramone]

what?! 6?! I only just decided to upgrade to 5 for christs sake! ah well... I'm pretty happy where I am now anyway, I doubt they'll have anything extra to make me wanna shell out (especially since I need to save for a new car, but that's another story...)

[Mackanov]

There are some videos highlighting the new stuff.

This might make me switch:
YouTube - Cubase 6 - New Features 1 - Edit faster with less clicks

This is cool for MIDI dudes:
YouTube - Cubase 6 - New Features 2 - The revolution unfolds VST Expression 2

New amp simulator:
YouTube - Cubase 6 - New Features 3 - Make some noise

Other new features:
YouTube - Cubase 6 - New Features 4 - Work smarter, flow faster

[shackman]

About to move up a new Samplitude level so not me, BUT - It's out now, this Cubase 6 thing:

Here. Steinberg Cubase 6

[paul999]

I jumped off the cubase bus. I could not get it to be stable. I've only ever used cubase since the VST days and it never has been stable for me.

[Amnesic Ostrich]

I jumped off the cubase bus.

Ha! I get it

[paul999]

Ha! I get it

Ha! I didn't get it.LOL

[Audio~Geek]

Brandon - I think you'd really like phase accurate multi-track editing and quantizing added in cubase 6.

[Rob K]

Yeah I'm quite excited for the multi-track editing too - I know you can do the same thing manually, but this is going to save me a hell of a lot of time. The beat detection stuff (live drums -> MIDI) is looking good too - no more playing every track individually through Protrig..

[magno]

You know, I'd rather do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th... take on the drums than have to time edit them. I think some mics, pre's or a new console would be more fun.

[Audio~Geek]

You know, I'd rather do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th... take on the drums than have to time edit them.

Playing it well is only part of it. All tracks can use editing.

[magno]

All tracks can use editing.

For sure dude. e.g. The Beatles would not have sold so many albums without multi track time aligned to the grid drums.

[Mackanov]

For sure dude. e.g. The Beatles would not have sold so many albums without multi track time aligned to the grid drums.

Now this is just aggressive. New technologies change the game. If said band was to record their albums today, you bet your ass they'd get all sorts of studio magic.

[brandondrury]

Brandon - I think you'd really like phase accurate multi-track editing and quantizing added in cubase 6.

Damn you, Audio~Geek. I was perfectly happy with my "screw the system" approach with zero actual research. It seems they HAVE actually added something of value this time. They should have just skipped Cubase 5 altogether, added shift clicking to an update and then called this new thing Cubase 5. Then again, they have their business model figured out. BASTARDS!!

For sure dude. e.g. The Beatles would not have sold so many albums without multi track time aligned to the grid drums.

Unfortunately, I'm only in this business when I'm doing "for fun" gigs. For ALL paid gigs (so far), my job is not to make the best music possible. With paid gigs, my job is to make the musicians pulling out their wallets happy. So that makes this an apples/oranges situation.

The realities of the studio world have changed. Now it's amateurs trying to do their best to kick butt. I don't know anyone here getting paid $40,000 to mix a single, so we are all doing are best with what we've got. When the drummer isn't great there are times when a little editing can help make up for the fact that we don't have six months to make a record. I find the lines on the screen are mostly irrelevant. It's an ear thing. When you can get a drummer to do what you would have ultimately gotten if you had that six months, the song power improves. Of course this depends on if you are making a documentary album or a fictional album. Both have their place.

I've avoided drum editing for years (unless MIDI) because it always sounded like shit and there was no good way to do it in Cubase 5 and earlier. It seems that problem is solved. Great! It's too bad I have to wait for the update come out.

Brandon

[magno]

Now this is just aggressive.

Sure it is, So is saying that "ALL tracks can use editing".

New technologies change the game. If said band was to record their albums today, you bet your ass they'd get all sorts of studio magic.

I understand, and I'm all for technology in the studio and using it as a musical tool.I'm just not ready to lay out extra cash on an upgrade that will save me some time doing tedious work that I don't enjoy. I'd rather spend the extra time tracking and hopefully raising the bar for the drummer to achieve the magic without time stretching algorithms.
And like I said, I would rather spend that money on something else. Something I may still have when C16 comes out.

[dikh]

Gaga sing "I want everything as long as it free"))))
// I hope I don't get banned for that)))

[Mackanov]

I'd rather spend the extra time tracking and hopefully raising the bar for the drummer to achieve the magic without time stretching algorithms.

Very rarely drum editing relies on time stretching. This just slices-quantizes-adds
crossfades.

I'd rather spend all the time I need to get it right on tracking too, but sometimes you are not being paid to record 10-15 takes of each song and sometimes, let's face it, drummers suck.

[Audio~Geek]

+1
Timestretching is a last resort on professional projects.

+2
Drummers indeed suck most of the time.

Besides that, not enough time, effort and attention is invested recording drums even for major label projects. (before you ask if I'm making major label level projects, no but I'm editing drums for them)

I get paid good money to make it seem like they don't. Ya know what, the drummer actually thinks they played it perfect.



I wish The fucking Beatles were not brought up in every discussion of modern record production techniques. Same with Led Zeppelin.


The world has moved on.

[tacman7]

I've decided to upgrade to cubase 7 when it comes out.

I'll need a new computer by then.

They should have the whole 64 bit thing sorted out by then.

[cky751]

Really "6" already? I thought they just came out with 5!? I will be rocking 3 and xp for a while. probably when my computer gives out I will upgrade to "10" or whatever they have at the moment.

[brandondrury]

Very rarely drum editing relies on time stretching.

Well, for those of us recording white people who rush every fill, I'd say if you are going to edit, time stretching is just as much a part of it is slicing.

I wish The fucking Beatles were not brought up in every discussion of modern record production techniques. Same with Led Zeppelin.


The world has moved on.

I've never bought a Beatles or Zeppelin cd. I respect those bands, but I could never identify with them like some people do. From an engineering standpoint, I can only think of one band I've ever recorded who were into this type of sound, but they wanted to sound more like The Who. It was fun recording drums with one microphone!

I've decided to upgrade to cubase 7 when it comes out.

That's usually my logic, too. I used SX3 from 2005 until mid-2010. I was SHOCKED when Cubase 5 was 99.9% the same. I debated against the slamming the hell out of Cubase in a Youtube video and backed off. (Mostly because I was busy.) I expected a 2-week learning curve where I'd need to hit the manuals. Nope. I turned it on. It was essentially identical.

The way I see it, Cubase 5 got me shift+click abilities, a little better menu thingy when exporting tracks, and will open a MIDI track automatically routed to a VST instrument. That's what I paid whatever-I-paid. Oh yeah, and I lost all my DX plugins from back in the day.

Expect Cubase 6 to have a button moved to a nicer location.

They should have the whole 64 bit thing sorted out by then.

I'm having no problems with Cubase 5 on Win 7 64 although I've only been using it for about a week or two.

probably when my computer gives out I will upgrade to "10" or whatever they have at the moment.

That's actually a great answer to the question: "When is the ideal time to upgrade Cubase?"

Brandon

[tacman7]

Speaking of Beatles, I've been listening to the audio book:
Amazon.com: Here, There and Everywhere: My Life Recording the Music of the Beatles (9781592401796): Geoff Emerick, Howard Massey: Books

After about 4 hit songs they let them move up from 2 track mono to 4 track.

Interesting book when thinking about the merging/separation of musician and engineer.

[johnbarleycorn]

i just bought the studio 5 studio and they offered me upgrade to 6 for $100 so it was worth it for me. ALthough I doubt I will ever use a lot of the features and I am just beginning to learn. I expect I won't change for a very long time now.

[Nanowire]

I wasn't ready to spend the money when 5 came out, but for 129 euro's from 4 (educational license) to 6 looked like a good deal to me. It seems like a good habit to skip every other version

[Your Brother Darryl]

I currently own SX3, and I refuse to upgrade any further. I had it all in VST 4.1. The Mastering Suite with the EQ and Dynamic tools rocked it all from start to mastering for me. I now primarily use Pro Tools. I'm not in love with it but it is what it is. Steinberg lost me by discontinuing support for the VST model. All the licenses I paid for for with Orange Vocoder, Mastering Suite and a couple of other plugs either don't work anymore or weren't continued in OS X. I did a lot of projects with VST and also more recently SX3. I now force my ears into believing that Digidesign and their stingy product sounds as good and rocks as hard. Cubase VST 4.1 with add-on software was cool foer most home users and they went corporate on us. What they should have done was jump on the hardware bandwagon early and trumped Digidesign. After this rant though, I still prefer using VST 4.1 for midi editing over everything else out there. IPS phrase synth!
Damn, I'm going downstairs right now....
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