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Old 04-17-2009, 12:45 PM
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Default Help! SX 3 - audio editor copy & paste problem!

Hello everybody, I'm new here! And to start off my participation in these here forums, I have a query/problem (and it's probably just me being retarded as I'm sure the solution is in some obvious menu....alas I cannay find it)....

Okay, so imagine you have an audio track containing your snare drum, and you double-click on your snare drum part to edit to open it in the sample/wave editor. You simply want to copy and paste a few drum hits at the end of a bar to give a glitchy mechanical drum machine/cut-up effect to your live drums, maybe reverse one of them for variety....PROBLEM IS....when you do this it INSERTS the copied portion(s) - i.e if you are pasting one beat's worth of information, it shifts everything that comes after it forward one beat....thus everything on the track from that point forward is a beat out of sync, and you'd have to manually 'cut' the wave to put it back in sync with the track from that point forward.

Now, if you only needed to do this once or twice, it wouldn't be the end of the world....BUT....a current project I am working on requires me to do EXTENSIVE rhythmic editing of previously recorded material (like, thousands of nano-edits etc) and in each case the info on the track after (and before) the edit will have to remain in time as its rhymically in sync with other elements of the song....

So basically I'm gonna need to take a four minute live drum track and manually cut/paste the hell out of it (i.e copy/pasting individual drum hits, whole fills, cutting some drum hits off early, reversing the odd hit - this is to turn a live drum take into a choppy drum&bass type of feel of) without ever shifting an element of the part out of sync....

A couple of points:

- the drums are all on one stereo audio track (this is by design as the 'lag' from the other drums when copying, say, a bass drum hit is integral to the 'feel' - beat science and all that)

- this can be completely 'destructive' (obviously the original drum track will be backed up)....the untampered-with wave will not be used at all within the track

- I wanna keep this all on one audio track, if possible. I know I could cut the portions to be edited and drag 'em down to a fresh track to do the editing on, and then Group those tracks together....BUT....that would be useless in this case as virtually every measure will be manipulated

- the key is basically to keep the live drum performance in the song, but embellish it constantly with cut-up elements of itself....

In short I guess what I'm really asking is if Cubase SX 3 has a paste mix/overlap or paste replace function, as opposed to paste insert (for example, on Adobe Audition you use to be able to copy a piece of a wave and use the CTRL+Shift+'P' shortcut which would allow you to overlay the copied portion with the existing material, and not insert a new space to make way for the pasted sample)

Ya dig??
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: Help! SX 3 - audio editor copy & paste problem!

I would work in project screen with an audio track soloed and made very large.

Turn snap off. Then snip the part you want with the scissors and alt/drag it to a new position. The snaps come in handy set to event when you want to move something to the edge of something you snipped earlier. Just have to experiment and try different things. Also you can drag in the edges of an event if you need to trim it more.
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Default Re: Help! SX 3 - audio editor copy & paste problem!

Aaah, thanks, but I may have badly described my issue....

Alas I just spoke to a friend who solved it for me, and thus I have FOUND A SOLUTION:

This is what I was trying to do:

Highlight and copy a part in the sample editor (in this case a drum fill)

Select a range at the point where I want to paste the copied part....

Go to the Process menu and select 'Merge Clipboard', and select the appropriate options for your requirements....

Voila!

I then added a keyboard shortcut (in this case Ctrl+Shift+P, like in Audition) in order to minimise the effect on workflow....

Again, thanks for your help....I think I just over-complicated my explanation of the problem in my original post....many thanks
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