Cubase LE4....Rookie's

[Blindfinger]

Wanted to say thanks to all of the great responses and the help I have received on this site...


I am hoping some of the rookies will pick up on this thread.

First of all, if you are a musician like me and you are just now getting started with the home recording or home studio digital recording thing..please read on.

1. You have a large, large learning curve ahead of you. Reading the software manuals and actually making it happen on your recording is tedious and you better have your mind right before you start. Most of the folks on this site already know what these are...MIDI, soundcard, audio interface, Buss, Buffer, Pan, Plug in, and on and on. They will throw these terms at you as if you know them... probably got some folks stirred up there.

2. The learning curve for the recording software will be days, weeks not hours. The responses to your problems are going to be very analytical and you better know what DAW or BUSS or lots of other jargon means.

3. If you have Cubase LE4...it comes packaged with hardware and seems to have lots of limitations compared to the other software. The Cubase LE4 threads and problems are all over this site. Some of them never were resolved. I saw where one person stated that Steinberg has abandoned any support for Cubase LE4 and to go to the company that sold the hardware.
I have bounced around this site and others and believe me Cubase LE4 has lots and lots of issues. Hey, I am still using it, as it is all I have for now. May go to a free download like audacity.

4. There are a few people on this site that will defend Cubase LE 4 no matter what the issue. They seem to always throw it back at a hardware problem. I wonder why.

5. There are definitely those that gave me suggestions early on in this site to stay away...but hey I had already purchased it. Being a rookie myself, I could not say whether Cubase LE4 is good for a beginner. I did have several people suggest, in a round about way to try something like Reaper or Audacity. I know this beginner is having hell with it.

6.Yes, I was up and recording within a day.. but you know you immediately began seeing all of the opportunities that the software seems to offer and you jump at it. Well, some of it will take you a long time to find. Some of it, you won't find at all.

7.Yes, there will be those who say I am limited in my capability to learn but I know that is not me.

8. I realize this thread is probably totally against what this site was set up for, but hey, many have probably passed through here and didn't get any of the just plain old advice needed to stay at it. Your patience will be tested to the breaking point if you are planning on becoming very good at this digital recording thing very quick, think again.

9. Seems to be some real pros on this site that have really worked hard at becoming great recording technicians. Just remember, these folks are probably professionals at this. If you have a day job, doing something else, your learning curve will take lots and lots of time. So beware.

Blindfinger.

[jjb]

He's right in that learning a feature-rich program like Cubase is a steep learning curve. However, the time and sweat is well worth it in the long run if you want to get the best out of it. Nothing wrong with Reaper or, for that matter, any other DAW software, just as there's nothing wrong with Cubase. (Minor correction, Steinberg never supported the LE/LE4 line, since it was a version provided to Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) on the premise that they would handle any and all issues).

Bottom line, use what works for you but don't be afraid to invest time and effort in honing your recording craft. You do the same for your musicianship, don't you?

jjb

[Electriclight]

[quote=Blindfinger;138949]

3. If you have Cubase LE4...it comes packaged with hardware and seems to have lots of limitations compared to the other software. The Cubase LE4 threads and problems are all over this site. Some of them never were resolved. I saw where one person stated that Steinberg has abandoned any support for Cubase LE4 and to go to the company that sold the hardware.
I have bounced around this site and others and believe me Cubase LE4 has lots and lots of issues. Hey, I am still using it, as it is all I have for now. May go to a free download like audacity.

You may use any software you like. Nobody on this site ever insists on the use of Cubase LE4 but it is one hell of a powerful program that comes pre-packaged with lots of recording hardware. Steinberg has not abandonded anything. There are updates available that fixed most of the intitial bugs of the first release. They maintain a user forum. But yes, it is directly supported by the OEM hardware manufacturers, most of whom have great customer support. Please tell us what your problems are? As it turns out, yes, most new user set-up problems ARE hardware related. There are hundreds of us on this site alone happily using LE4.

4. There are a few people on this site that will defend Cubase LE 4 no matter what the issue. They seem to always throw it back at a hardware problem. I wonder why.

I'm not sure why you are taking an adversarial tone towards people on this forum who try to help beginners? I can't think of anyone ever "defending" Cubase LE4 (until this moment, of course).

5. There are definitely those that gave me suggestions early on in this site to stay away...but hey I had already purchased it. Being a rookie myself, I could not say whether Cubase LE4 is good for a beginner. I did have several people suggest, in a round about way to try something like Reaper or Audacity. I know this beginner is having hell with it.

Again, try anything you wish, especially free stuff because there is no risk. But you get out of anything what you put into it. (I speak as an adult educator.) Why invest time learning a software program you will outgrow. Cubase LE4 will take you almost anywhere you need to go recording-wise. The difference between this free program and the $500 version is really pretty tiny. I still wonder what is your beef with LE4?

6.Yes, I was up and recording within a day.. but you know you immediately began seeing all of the opportunities that the software seems to offer and you jump at it. Well, some of it will take you a long time to find. Some of it, you won't find at all.

Up and running in a day! Sounds awful! Seeing possibilities! Terrible! The "won't find at all" part sounds overly dramatic and probably untrue. What do you want to do? Someone here can probably tell you how.

8. I realize this thread is probably totally against what this site was set up for, but hey, many have probably passed through here and didn't get any of the just plain old advice needed to stay at it. Your patience will be tested to the breaking point if you are planning on becoming very good at this digital recording thing very quick, think again.

Music is funny that way, isn't it? Did you get immediate gratification learning an instrument? Not me. Beginning violin is pretty crappy stuff. I know from personal experience. It took me 30 years to get decent on guitar. Sure many people give up on stuff (Sara Palin comes to mind) what's your point?

9. Seems to be some real pros on this site that have really worked hard at becoming great recording technicians. Just remember, these folks are probably professionals at this. If you have a day job, doing something else, your learning curve will take lots and lots of time. So beware.

OK, this is where I get ticked off. The pros here are donating there time to help beginners. Others of us like myself are not pros, never will be pros, have no illusions of being pros, and are having the time of our lives recording our own crappy music. We enjoy it so much that we give up some of our free time that we could be spending on our hobby to help others share in the fun.

What is YOUR motivation? You just want to spread your frustration as far and wide as possible? If you have a recording problem state it and the fine people here will try to help you. If you just want to poison a wonderfully positive forum - take a hike.

[Blindfinger]

Dear Electriclight,

First and foremost, I would like to extend my deepest apology for any statements I have made in this site that may have offended you or anyone else. My intent is not to be insulting or to negatively impact this fantastic informational site. My frustration crossed the line into this site and that is not what is about. I can assure you, I will refrain from sharing my personal frustrations in the future. My opinions of specific brands or product was wrong and this is the wrong format for that.

IGNORANCE - Lack of knowlege, unaware, uninformed.
ROOKIE - Inexperienced, novice, beginner

You can still use the above 2 words to describe me regarding home digital recording. Although my knowledge has improved, I am certainly not out of the rookie status. My message was only to those that would also consider themselves in a similar position and share my experience of waking up to a much bigger hill to climb than I imagined. I am not saying that all will have my same experience, but sharing actual truth with those in the same predicament can be enlightening to some.

Although, I consider verbal warfare in this site to be utterly rediculous and totally counter productive. I must say, I do not recall directly insulting you on this site.

I do feel that your response to my rookie post was highly insulting.

I found your method of snipping out specific quotes in my post and using them out of context....very..very familiar. Our media of today have destroyed many that way. Thankfully, it seems this underhanded tactic is subsiding to some degree. Quitter?....Sarah Palin? Do you have a political agenda?

Taking some vacation this week and totally enjoying my home recordings!

This rookie has chosen not to ....."take a hike"...per your request.

Have A Great Day!

[Electriclight]

Originally Posted by Blindfinger

Dear Electriclight,

First and foremost, I would like to extend my deepest apology for any statements I have made in this site that may have offended you or anyone else. My intent is not to be insulting or to negatively impact this fantastic informational site. My frustration crossed the line into this site and that is not what is about. I can assure you, I will refrain from sharing my personal frustrations in the future. My opinions of specific brands or product was wrong and this is the wrong format for that.

IGNORANCE - Lack of knowlege, unaware, uninformed.
ROOKIE - Inexperienced, novice, beginner

You can still use the above 2 words to describe me regarding home digital recording. Although my knowledge has improved, I am certainly not out of the rookie status. My message was only to those that would also consider themselves in a similar position and share my experience of waking up to a much bigger hill to climb than I imagined. I am not saying that all will have my same experience, but sharing actual truth with those in the same predicament can be enlightening to some.

Although, I consider verbal warfare in this site to be utterly rediculous and totally counterproductive. I must say, I do not recall directly insulting you on this site.

I do feel that your response to my rookie post was highly insulting.

I found your method of snipping out specific quotes in my post and using them out of context....very..very familiar. Our media of today have destroyed many that way. Thankfully, it seems this underhanded tactic is subsiding to some degree. Quitter?....Sarah Palin? Do you have a political agenda?

Taking some vacation this week and totally enjoying my home recordings!

This rookie has chosen not to ....."take a hike"...per your request.

Have A Great Day!

I accept your apology. There's no warfare here. Neither are there "snippets out of context".
I copied and pasted in their entirety sections 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 !!!

If the omission of 1, 2, and 7 changes everything I too apologize and will make amends:

1. You have a large, large learning curve ahead of you. Reading the software manuals and actually making it happen on your recording is tedious and you better have your mind right before you start. Most of the folks on this site already know what these are...MIDI, soundcard, audio interface, Buss, Buffer, Pan, Plug in, and on and on. They will throw these terms at you as if you know them... probably got some folks stirred up there.

Large learning curve - yes. Tedious is a subjective opinion. Surpisingly, many people find the journey of discovery (learning) to be quite invigorating.

Tip: Any time you write "Probably got some folks stirred up there" reach for your delete key. Otherwise you are knowingly "stirring things up" aren't you?

2. The learning curve for the recording software will be days, weeks not hours. The responses to your problems are going to be very analytical and you better know what DAW or BUSS or lots of other jargon means.

This was a direct attack on the people on this site trying to help. RecordingReview is one of the very few sites where beginners are NEVER made to feel stupid or insignificant. Brandon (or any of the moderators) won't stand for it. If we have to say that silver thingy on the ends of the long black snaky thing, then that's what we do.

7.Yes, there will be those who say I am limited in my capability to learn but I know that is not me.

Who said that? It's simply not true. Nobody here talks like that. You won't hear that from me since I have spent years studying adult learning and adult education. If I found learning to be the painful, tedious affair you make it out to be, I would never inflict it on anyone and I would go back to testing circuit boards.

Palin was the first quitter that came to mind. If you have a preferred quitter let me know. I don't remember in my 1500 posts helping people with technical problems that I ever interjected politics into the discussion. My agenda is helping people have fun.

I believe that even after your post yesterday, that I spent 15 minutes accessing, cutting and pasting specific Steinberg Knowledge Base info for you in response to your problem with Halion. You're welcome.

[Blindfinger]

If the omission of 1, 2, and 7 changes everything I too apologize and will make amends:

Thanks for owning up to your errors and above all your apology!

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Hopefully, you will consider the above lines of my response in this message...just playfully bantering. That is all it is intended to be.

Yes, I probably deserved your corrective response to my original post. As I stated, my frustration was showing some immaturity. Hit a stump with that Halion thing and.... BESERKO!.....I shot off my big mouth..Quite ironic you would be the one to come to my aid.

Many Thanks,
Blindfinger


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"It doesn't matter what road you are on.......unless you know where you are going." - Anonymous

[Electriclight]

Sounds like you got Halion going? Great to hear.

Enjoy your vacation. Good luck on your recording.

And I only invited you to take a hike if...