Cubase LE (busses) and monitoring through headphone preamp

[DiMMaX]

Hi there,

I have a very specific question and hope to find some answers here (maybe even THE answer )

I'll try to be as specific as possible and provide as much info as I can think of. If that's not enough, please let me know what other info is required as I really want to solve this... (thanks in advance!)

My goal is nothing realy special I would think, just a basic (standard) setup for recording. All I want to achieve is to record musicians and provide monitoring through headphones (there's where I need some support).

I have 2 rooms; a recording room and a control room. Both connected with a stage-box (16in/4out)

The stage-box is connected (in the control room) with the inputs of my Presonus FP10's. (Recording is not an issue).

I use Cubase LE (came for free with my FP10's) as DAW.
For those knowing Cubase LE, it's a pain to get it configured properly for a beginner. Especially with the busses and all that. Anyway, I struggled through all that and got to know Cubase a bit better.
A downside of LE is that it has some limitations and I was hoping not to run into them in the very first months,... But guess what, I did...

One of the limitations is that you do not have a control-room tab in thee VST-connections section. This tab is available in the Cubase 4 full version only and allows you to setup your control room, including talkback and sending different mixes to the performers... Since that is not the case in the LE version, you have to set this up yourself, using the busses...

Along with the hardware setup I mentioned I also have a Presonus HP60, a six channel headphone mixer. The goal is to use this in my setup to achieve the monitoring ability....

The outputs of the FP10's are connected with the inputs of the HP60. The outputs of the HP60 are connected to the Stage-box. Resulting in having the 4 outputs of the stage-box being available to plugin headphones in the recording room.
Basically I used this setup:



As far as the hardware connections I think I'm on the right track, but the software configuration is where I fail as I can't get it to work...

I've been going through the Cubase manual back and forward, however, the manual is not very clear about it... They have a section which explains the control room config, IF you have the full version. They don't describe a setup/config if you have the LE version without the control room section.... (I guess it's a commercial thing)
Anyway, from whqat I've learned, this is what I did:

I created 4 FX tracks. I routed each output of those tracks to the FP10 outputs. (by selecting the FP10's outputs in the output-section of the FX tracks)
Then I selected in each 'normal audio' track the FX channel in the 'sends'
Result: for each audio track I have 4 sends, the four FX channels.
This should allow me to mix which musician gets which FX channel by enabling or disabling the sends...

I thought it sounds very logical, but for some reason, it doesn't work.
On top of that, the HP60 has a talkback input (xlr) and of course a talkback button. No clue how I can get that to work,....

So, is there somone around who might give me a hand here?

Many thanks in advance!

cheerz!

DiMMaX

[DiMMaX]

Hi again

As I don't get any replies/suggestions on this topic (which I find very strange since I'm not asking for anything special) I'll rephrase my question. I can imagine it's a bit confusing in my previous post...

The goal is to configure Cubase LE for use with a headphone mixer.

In Cubase LE I have created 4 FX channels.
Those FX channels are configured to use the output of a FP10
In my audiotracks I have selected those FX channels in the 'sends' section.

This way I hope all signals in an audiotrack is also send to the FX channel, resulting in the signal being passed through to the FP10 output (which is connected with a headphone-mixer-input)

In the setup described, I think I should have the possibility to swith on/off the FX send per audiotrack if the performer wants to (or not to) hear a specific audiotrack.

Is this the way it's done in Cubase LE?
Is this enough or should I do something else?

Many thanks for all tips/hints/replies

Cheerz!

DiMMaX

[Electriclight]

Sorry you're not getting any help. Personally, I have a real hard time getting my head around what you are doing. I hope someone can help you out better than I.

Your aim is to be able to send a completely different mix to varous headphones.
I think this is something special, actually. You say:

In Cubase LE I have created 4 FX channels.
Those FX channels are configured to use the output of a FP10

Is this LE or LE4? In LE I figure this is totally impossible. In LE4 maybe...

So how did you configure FX channels to use FP10 output?

[DiMMaX]

Originally Posted by Electriclight

Sorry you're not getting any help. Personally, I have a real hard time getting my head around what you are doing. I hope someone can help you out better than I.

Your aim is to be able to send a completely different mix to varous headphones.
I think this is something special, actually. You say:



Is this LE or LE4? In LE I figure this is totally impossible. In LE4 maybe...

So how did you configure FX channels to use FP10 output?

Well, sorry for the confusion...
What I'd like to achieve is simple monitoring to my recording room....

So each perfomer had a headphone, hearing the main-mix....

I'm using LE4 btw

cheerz!

DiMMaX

[brandondrury]

Result: for each audio track I have 4 sends, the four FX channels.
This should allow me to mix which musician gets which FX channel by enabling or disabling the sends...

I thought it sounds very logical, but for some reason, it doesn't work.

What outputs do you have your aux sends routed to? There is no reason that if you create an aux send and route it to outputs 7/8 to your FP10 that it won't flow to your headphone amp.

I find that using aux sends within Cubase SX3 causes high latency I'm not sure about LE4. They have worked that out in the newer versions.

Does the FP10 have a DSP routing matrix? I use the routing matrix in my Presonus Firestudio to setup my stereo mixes and avoid the latency issues of doing it with software.

Brandon

[mcjr_harley]

I was actually trying to do something similar but instead of creating effect output busses I created 4 output busses for outputs 5-8. Didn't work either.

I'm going to try doing the effect send method you have in this thread.

I'm also using a FP10 with Cubase 4 LE and I'm trying to route outputs to my Behringer HA4700 which is a 4 channel headphone mixer.

Sorry I don't have any helpful advice but maybe there's some solice knowing someone else is having similar problems.

[steel-head]

do you still need help, i kno how 2 help, but its quite complicated 2 explain. let me kno how your going.