Drum Triggers

[Shiny]

I am playing a vintage Premiere kit, with mahogany shells, G1 clear batter heads and Clear Ambassadors on the bottoms for my Toms. I am using a TD6V and trying to find trigger/trigger settings/tuning/dampening is best for the Toms to get accurate triggering.
I am already using Roland triggers on my snare and kick, so have started to buy Roland triggers for my Toms.
The only way I can stop the double triggering is to either tension the heads up beyond the sound I want or to dampen them beyond the response I want or adjust the trigger settings below the threshold for accurate response.
Does anyone here have any experience/suggestions/advice?

Thanks

[ABDES]

Hi I have tried many times to do what you want to do with triggers on drum heads but you can not have both good acoustic sound with the ideal trigger config, problem is the only way to stop double triggering is to use O rings on the toms and also dampen the bottom head but then the kit sound awfull I suggest using triggers on the kick and snare then having aux pads along side your kit so you have your lovely acoustic kit sound also the electronic pads there to for those v drum sounds...

[Shiny]

hmm, yeah but I don't want the vdrum "sound" so much. I just want an easy, reliable way to get through the mains when playing live and to line-in to a DAW to record.
I have installed the "50 masters pack" from v expressions and found Steve Gadd's kit is very similar to where I like my kit tuned. So, the idea is to use Gadd's kit to augment my live sound by putting just litte through the mains.
We play in small venues, so I can't put so much through the mains to be able to drowned out my kit and just sound like Gadd's kit. Recording, of course, is not a problem as long as I get accurate triggering.

[ABDES]

Hi well as I said your not gonna get your acoustic kit toms sounding good and also have natural trigger response cause double/false triggering will always happen if the drum heads are not dampened considerably....

[Shiny]

Ya well that's not the answer I wanted so try again. I'm just kidding of course. That's the answer I was dreading, I was just hoping that maybe someone knew of something I was missing. Thanks for the rebounds

[zildjohn01]

Have you tried sticking the triggers inside the drums? I've never done it but hey, it's worth a shot.

[Shiny]

Ya, that's actually how I started this expensive, little project. I was making my own triggers and had great success with the snare and fairly good with the toms but terrible with the kick. I tried the RT10K (kick) trigger from Roland and was really impressed. Then I tried the RT10S (snare) and again, very impressed. Then came the toms, YIKES!
I would go back to internal triggers for the toms if I could find the same type of foam that Roland uses but I can only get that low density mattress type foam and that just doesn't cut it.

[ABDES]

You can get the foam on ebay the dome shaped foam roland uses on v drums, do a search and if not there keep looking you can get it or call roland and ask for spares dept and ask for the the replacement foam on the v drum pads.

[Shiny]

Ya actually I tried getting the cones from Roland last year and was told that I needed to provide a serial number from my original Roland equipment that I own. Funnily enough, most of the money spent on this expensive little project has gone to Roland. I own two Roland brains and a set of Roland cymbals but because I have not bought complete Roland drum kit, it's just not good enough for Roland.

[brandondrury]

In my experience, I've not been too happy with triggering. I think there are probably some instances where a drummer's tastes in sounds and playing could work well with triggering, but this is difficult to find.

I find that most brains are not exceptionally thorough in their settings. In sessions I've been using KtDrumTrigger (which changes wav files to MIDI files) and I've not had a single instance where fixed settings worked through out the entire track. I always end up going through and manually editing the wav file at times to eliminate double triggering, missed triggers, etc.

I find that with real triggers I can make it work without double triggering if I totally throw out the notion of dynamics.

Brandon