FIRE INSIDE - drummer67

[drummer67]

It's time to say goodbye , over and over over and over, I bet I played this song a million times. Time too let go of this or I will just keep going and going.

Well I hope I have got this thing fixed now m24p & ff so let me know if your still hearing the two mix thing. It was a plugin that was causing this I think so let me know if I got it fixed.

[m24p]

Fun throwing that intro in there.

I suspect this was a great mix that somehow got ruined in the export process. :/

It sounds really weird. Like there's two version playing within 30 ms of each other.

[drummer67]

Fun throwing that intro in there.

I suspect this was a great mix that somehow got ruined in the export process. :/

It sounds really weird. Like there's two version playing within 30 ms of each other.

you were right m24p the site had downloaded it twice and that was why you heard this. I pulled that mix down and downloaded a new attachment mp3. but theres some funky thing going on in the ending. my mp3 sounds fine but not on the site. I don't know what the deal is with the distortion sound on the end after the harley fade out cause my mp3 does not do this. The mp3 fade on the harley and a few seconds of silence. Oh well got to be a glich in the site download I guess. m24p let me know if you still have the 30ms thing going on.

On that intro, I had a buddy of mine tell me that the toms sounded like a harley in my mix so we got out the recording gear and started his panhead up, then we got him going by on the street for the ending. We thought we were going too get the cop called on us cause he was doing 60 in a 30 mph zone in front of my house. Just a good thing we got what we needed in just one pass. lol

[fHumble fHingaz]

The intro sounded awesome!... but the mix definitely sounds like something has gone wrong with the upload... Is this the re-uploaded version? I'm still getting the whole "2 mixes, cancelling out one another" thing.

[m24p]

Yeah, the whole mix sounds weird still.

[drummer67]

Yeah, the whole mix sounds weird still.

I just reloaded the mix, is it still the same way.

[m24p]

It's not there at all now.

[Bigduggieface]

This is the strangest and most eerily hypnotic mix I've ever heard. It might not win the contest, but it may infiltrate my dreams and nightmares for months to come.

This was a lot of fun to listen to.

[JoshERTW]

Hey man, theres still some issues - the drums sound wayout in front and filtered in a strange way (snare is almost gone) and everything else sounds back in the mix. Be careful with your use of time based effects, when overcooked (or under-EQ'd) they can have some unwanted effects on a mix.

[wireman957]

Hey drummer - I'm not hearing the doubled-up thing, but I am hearing the kick pumping the mix quite a bit. Toms, too to some degree. Sounds like the kick is just overpowering compression or limiting on your 2-buss pulling everything else down audibly and making the kick/snare relationship a bit odd. Most likely the attack/release times on your dynamic processing as well as the threshold. It also has the effect of making the kick sound a bit woofy, like it's bottoming out around 120Hz or higher in the choruses. Verses aren't as loud going into the compressor/limiter, so the effect isn't as noticeable there.

It could be the same compression thing robbing your toms of some fullness as well, but it might also be some phasing issues. I noticed the tom bottom head tracks were out of phase with the tops and reversing the phase on those bottoms really helped the roundness of the drums.

Your electric guitars and bass sound good to me. The bass track had some transient noise issues that you seem to have dealt with pretty well, IMO, so good going there.

I really think that the only technical problem in the mix is the dynamics processing on the 2-bus. The Harley idea is pretty cool. Loved the intro! Makes me want to go visit Texas Harley Davidson which is only about a half mile from my house. Think I could sneak that purchase in on the wife?

[m24p]

This mix doesn't have that weird sound anymore, but it still seems like it's suffering from either monitoring issues or critically listening issues. Overall it's very thin but the low mids of the toms really poke out in an undesirable way, IMHO.

[drummer67]

It could be the same compression thing robbing your toms of some fullness as well, but it might also be some phasing issues. I noticed the tom bottom head tracks were out of phase with the tops and reversing the phase on those bottoms really helped the roundness of the drums.

Yeah I had noticed that as well and I did fix the phase issue.

I really think that the only technical problem in the mix is the dynamics processing on the 2-bus.

I think it is the 2-bus doing it. After I killed the plugin causing the 30 ms thing I just exported the mix. I should have double checked what the 2-bus limiter was doing cause it was pushed harder after that plug was removed.

Your electric guitars and bass sound good to me. The bass track had some transient noise issues that you seem to have dealt with pretty well, IMO, so good going there.

Yes that bass track was not the best thing to work with. I dont know if it was put together with different takes or too me it was like a ground issue with the bass gtr itself. The many gtrs were a bit of work as well, brandon really went all out on the many gtrs in this song.

The Harley idea is pretty cool. Loved the intro! Makes me want to go visit Texas Harley Davidson which is only about a half mile from my house. Think I could sneak that purchase in on the wife?

Yeah had fun doing that bit with my buddy. As far as that purchase, you may get by with the money side of it but what about that harley setting in the garage.

[Ewout]

Hey man, interesting take! I love the intro / outro
The drums are...well...different, not sure what is going on there, maybe a buss compressor pumping? They are eating up some of the other instruments as well. I think that with the drums fixed, this will be a great mix.

Cheers,

Ewout

[Radukku]

Well man, I have listened many a times by now to your mix and still not sure what happened!...
But basically it's still what Josh, Wireman and fhfh said...Drums sound overpowering (kick and toms) except the snare which lost all the bite...and the vocals tend to get buried under the wall of drums...oh well...I'm sure there'sa good mix hidden there somewhere!
I love the intro/outro idea but I'm not so sure about using material outside the tracks made available by Brandon...not sure might be wrong...
Good work though man!

[IMF OnSite Recording]

Interesting intro I must say.

First off, it feels like the drums are rather thin - kind of like slapping a piece of paper with a pencil and recording it. Let's take a look in depth there and figure out how we can solve this in the future:

If you are using heavy compression on the drums such as kick, snare, toms, etc... it's probably best if you either copy those tracks and use parallel compression, or put aux sends to parallel compressed drum busses that merge into the "all drums" bus. This will preserve the decay of the original track and still give it punch. Don't go too far with adding high end either. The toms need to come down because they seem to overpower the mix in the center when they come out.

The vocals should be upfront a bit more and other elements could be panned more left and right, such as acoustics and guitars\leads.. toms a bit too. This will clear out some space for the vocals to be clear. Be sure to split up these things into busses to have more control over each instrument group as well.

I think if you revisit this mix and get the drums to be a little more stereo and balanced as well as working with the bass, then add the vocals in to make sure its louder and more clear in the center. After that, you can start bringing up all the guitar tracks, makings sure as you are not stepping on the vocals as you mix them in. Think of it as building a house. The foundation and studs are the bass and drums... and the vocals are now the roof which should be rather on top of the mix in the middle. After that's up all the siding, drywall, and floors are put in which are the guitars (kept off more to the sides). Finally, your paint, light fixtures, tiles, etc are your effects and automation that help fill in holes and balancing everything off.

If you split this process into stages similar to how I explained above, it will make it easier to identify areas of conflict and address them before you are too deep into the mix and at the point where one adjustment can affect the processing results of many other things ahead in the chain.

Was that a recording you made of the motorcycle?

EDIT: Sorry I never read posts before I critique - but I do after I submit my post. Is there something I missed about it uploading wrong? or doubled?

[drummer67]

Sorry I never read posts before I critique - but I do after I submit my post. Is there something I missed about it uploading wrong? or doubled?

Well, I thought it had uploaded 2 times because of what was said about there being a 30 ms and sounding like it was two playing. What it was really was a plugin causing it. I had just got a new plugin for correcting like when you use 2 or more mic's on one source. It's called mautoaline from meldaproductions. I was testing it out and had delayed the drums with a 28 ms and this is why it sounded like there were 2 playing. After removing that plug the drums were hitting the sub group buss limiters harder than they were before and now they are pumping. I was just wanting too fix the 30 ms thing that had been brought too my attention and did not recheck the mix after I removed the plug causing it and now I wish I had.

Was that a recording you made of the motorcycle?

Yes it was.

If you are using heavy compression on the drums such as kick, snare, toms, etc... it's probably best if you either copy those tracks and use parallel compression, or put aux sends to parallel compressed drum busses that merge into the "all drums" bus. This will preserve the decay of the original track and still give it punch. Don't go too far with adding high end either. The toms need to come down because they seem to overpower the mix in the center when they come out.

Yes I see where you are going with that and I did do this but I pushed It too far with the limiter after that plug was removed.

I think if you revisit this mix and get the drums to be a little more stereo and balanced as well as working with the bass, then add the vocals in to make sure its louder and more clear in the center. After that, you can start bringing up all the guitar tracks, makings sure as you are not stepping on the vocals as you mix them in. Think of it as building a house. The foundation and studs are the bass and drums... and the vocals are now the roof which should be rather on top of the mix in the middle. After that's up all the siding, drywall, and floors are put in which are the guitars (kept off more to the sides). Finally, your paint, light fixtures, tiles, etc are your effects and automation that help fill in holes and balancing everything off.

If you split this process into stages similar to how I explained above, it will make it easier to identify areas of conflict and address them before you are too deep into the mix and at the point where one adjustment can affect the processing results of many other things ahead in the chain.

I have gone back and fixed everything that went wrong after that plug was removed but I'm stuck with the mix that I posted. I do start with drums, bass, main gtrs, vox and add from there. I run sub groups: kick and snare, all toms, all cymbals, all drums, minus cymbals they go to the master 2-buss from the cymbals sub group. bass gtr, lead gtrs, ect. I also like too run all subgroups through a subgroup before the master 2-buss too gel everything together before the master buss with the exception of the cymbals too keep from overcompressing them.

[The-Zeronaut]

cool intro
the entire mix seems a little "squashed" ease up on the compression/limiter

[danmanisa]

Man, what a shame about the upload issue. I saw the first post and checked out a few more to be sure.

Outside of the doubling thing, the mix has real potential. There is a nice energy about the mix which I like. The toms are quite attacky and up front, nice sound but perhaps a bit too loud. I tried that too, to make them really stand out and drive those changes. There is bit of 2-bus pumping going on every now and then and some instruments, especially the vocals, are getting pushed way back into the mix.


Such a shame, I'd love to comment on it without the little doubling glitch.