weapons...why?

[brandondrury]

Brandon I made that same argument about Iraq one fine day (comparing casualties to those we lose on the highways every year).

I think my friend may not ever speak to me agan. Too bad. Logic rules.

If he / she never speaks to you again, A)He/she is a jackass B)You are probably lucky. If two people can't disagree and still be friends.... I'll just leave it at that. (I had my rant last night).

The bottom line is every man counts. From intense research in shitty military movies, this seams to be a staple of America military, too. So with that said, regardless if it's a car crash, a war, smoking, or terrorists a funeral is still a funeral. A mom losing her son / daughter is horrendous. It would be SO much easier to save 30 extra lives in a car than it would trying to stop every crazed maniac out there. However, car crashes aren't nearly as good for TV ratings as college rampages.

In regard to the war, there are other factors that influence my views. Spending a billion million zillion dollars every 10 minutes when I haven't even been told a GOOD lie as to why we are even over there makes me nervous. Lewis Black hit on the nose. "If you can't find the WMDs....LIE!!!!". I would have been happy with that.

If the real reason we are over there is to open up the gateway to hell with the purposes of joining forces with Satan's army, well...... they could at least claim terrorists.

Brandon

[lumpy]

progenie,
Funny that the first rifle I bought with some lawn mowing money back when I was a lad was a WWII era bolt action Italian Carcano 7.35 mm. Set me back about $40. This is also the same model that Oswald shot Kennedy with.

The States are full of these old Italian surplus rifles. At my local hardware store the proprietor has a "Barrel 'o Guns" for $75 apiece. 95% of them are old Italian Carcano's.

When I recieved my Carcano it was still packed in the original wood crate, straw, and covered with about 2 qts of gun oil. I rubbed that thing down for a week before I could shoot it without getting oil all over the place.

Never could shoot it straight.

I still can't see how Oswald hit JFK with one of these Carcano's. They are heavy, clumsy, and extremely innaccurate. Think he got 3 shots off in 5 seconds, all of which hit the target.

Yeah, right.

Lump

[progenie]

lumpy,
in the past Italy was (and probably still is) the main mines producer (that kind of mines that could destroy a tank or mutilate a lot of children) all over the world. Also Beretta is an italian brand and I suppose many others I don't know. Weapons are really a business for many people and the business doesn't care ethics. We sold weapons to Iraq, Iran and all "enemies" when they was "friends". Now God only knows who is buying our rifles or super hi tech military helicopters. (...I hope all rifles are as bad as your first rifle... do you think Oswald was extremely lucky or only in the wrong place at the wrong time? ...).

[brandondrury]

do you think Oswald was extremely lucky or only in the wrong place at the wrong time?

What do you mean? I thought Oswald blew Kennedy's brains out. He was at the right place at the right time. (Of course, I'm not factoring in any "Grassy Null" theories.

I hope all rifles are as bad as your first rifle...

Okay, so you don't like guns. You are missing out on a lot of fun. With that said, I think guns do more to stop violence than they do to cause it.

Brandon

[lumpy]

progenie,
Wasn't trying to get in on the moral implications of the argument, I just thought you may find it interesting that (correct me if I'm wrong) while there are laws in Italy prohibiting private citizens from owning guns in your home country, those same guns have made their way to private citizens' hands here in the States.

Irony is so ironic.

I don't think those Carcano's were ever meant to be finesse firearms. They were built to be tough and simple.

They are also a great first gun for youngsters who want to get into the sport of hunting.

As far as Oswald goes; I've never researched the JFK assasination due to all the kooks that always seem to hover around the subject. Since the subject isn't as popular now as it was 15 years ago, I am going to give it some serious time. One particular point of interest to me is the laughable "single magic bullet" theory.

Lump

[progenie]

One particular point of interest to me is the laughable "single magic bullet" theory.

Did you see Oliver Stone's movie? That bullet was really magic!

Okay, so you don't like guns. You are missing out on a lot of fun.

This is not true. In the past I was a military for 12 months and I liked very much to shoot with my Garand rifle (I think it was made in US). I still shoot at paper targets with my father in law compressed air rifle (it's not the same... I know.. but it's all I can do now )

[brandondrury]

I liked very much to shoot with my Garand rifle

But you want to get rid of guns?

Brandon