I agree with every biz of this.I personally believe that recording music has no value any more. We can talk all day long about how it used to have value, and blame people for why it doesn't have value, but the fact is, it has no monetary value. But if musicians aren't making money off of recorded music any more, then why are they still making it? If it was such a huge burden, wouldn't we see a huge decrease in the amount of recorded music? Until the day comes that good musicians stop recording music, then there won't be any pressure on people to pay for music.
If bands feel that strongly about it, maybe they should go on a recording strike. They can say "we've decided not to record any more albums until people start paying for music again." What would be the reaction from people? Would they say "oh, I'm sorry, I promise I'll buy your next album"? or would they say "screw you, I'll go listen to someone else then." I would be willing to bet that any band that went on strike would disintegrate pretty quickly. And if not putting out albums that (don't make you money) causes you to disintegrate, then maybe all those albums that you made but didn't make any money from weren't doing you as much harm as you thought.
I think there will always be bands willing to put out free recordings of their music. As long as that's the case, recording music won't have much monetary value. Are the bands who are putting out free music to blame for the bands that are charging for their music not making money? We don't complain about google making google docs for free and slashing at microsoft's business do we?
There are plenty of ways to give value to recorded music, it's just that nobody wants to spend the energy to think of ways to do it. If a band said "buy our album and get $15 off your next concert ticket," I bet you'd see a rise in sales. The music industry as it stands is a dying industry. If they don't learn to adapt, then they won't make money, plain and simple. While I fully support the collapse of the music industry as we know it, a lot of good things would be lost, but I think more good things would be gained.
I'll also add that smart, talented, hard working musicians are still making money. I think it's a hell of a stretch to say that any one particular band is starving because of piracy. It's impossible to isolate shitty songwriting, boring people, a boring website, etc. You can't. The top 5 pop chicks for last year made a total of almost $250,000,000. How much has Bob Dylan or John Prine made in their careers? Who cares, but it's clear that someone is still making money somehow.
If a person doesn't like the shitty money they make from a fun job they should get a shitty job where they make a fun amount of money. That's been the way the system has worked from Day 1.
My generation is a bunch of douche bags. That is the bottom line. "I love you guys, I can't wait for your next album" "When are you coming to Texas, California or Ohio or Germany or Scotland or Brazil" I hear this constantly which is cool, but I need gas money. If you ripped or downloaded my songs without paying I am not coming to ohio or california bottom line, cause I have no money for gas. I really appreciate the people that come out to shows, or buys my music but my generation does not go out to shows. They might pay $100.00 to see a popular act at Madison Square Garden plus train tickets and chipotle. I had over 700 kids in my class maybe 20 went to any local shows. The line is I am broke, then you see them at chipotle spending $10. They could have seen 20 bands play yesterday for $12.00 at the door and some really good bands. It is all bullshit, kids are lazy and want music for free, but will spend crazy money on shit cause it is cool or they think it is cause they have been sold hard. I am in a bad mood... got to change it I am on my way to play a show in Connecticut. We will make more on tshirts and cd's then it costs for gas and tolls. What we started to do was to have the kids or ask us to come to their area help us to get the booking. We have even just started to sat hey get 30 of your friends together and stuff like that. Some seem like they will try and do it so there is hope for some in my generation.
On another side I get more clothing companies that want me to wear their tshirts. Now they have to pay me to wear them not just give me free shirts. I have enough of them.
I agree man. There's no reason to play gigs anymore
Other than to get rawdy and for the TnA !!!
Good attitude though, make the kids be promoters ! Than they'll respect the music biz even more considering most of um are probably young slackers ?
There still are great things happening, cbgbs fest is going to be awesome... and expensive... and not punk..but they have about 130 venues, and 40-50 separate bands playing at the same time everyday for about 5 days.... Chuck berries giging it too !
Than they have the whole music production bit.
Though I'm just gonna learn to play free bird (again) and drive a big rig around the country playing free-bird at every truck stop with a machanical bull and a every titty bar I can find myself in, till this howle mp3 apocalypse is over.
Some said that the world will end this year....I think itll end when the last mp3 player is made.
On the other hand, we should support S.o.p.a. !
Might as well just roll over because it isn't going away. I went to the local Best Buy and Pmac Music today because a band I really love came out with a new album yesterday. When I arrived at Best Buy I noticed the cd selection was 1/4 of what it used to be, and Pmac didn't have it. So I gave up and went to itunes. It really pissed me off that I can't even buy a cd from a band with a major label distribution deal anymore.
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People often forget that there are other ways for musicians to make money with their craft - most notably live shows. A musician that focuses on puting on a great show and gaining a fan base and reputation through shows is less dependent on recorded output and less vunerable to music piracy. The CD's role is then to support the live shows, not the other way around.
But I could not tell for real and nowadays I´m not too sure where I stand on this matter.
All I know is I still buy albums for my fav bands/musicians like Rush, Haji´s Kitchen, DT and go as far as pre-ordering albums that are yet to be recorded like the famous "Anoraknophobia" from Marillion, which was the first album to be recorded from the money collected from fans after EMI decided they were not "commercially viable" and dumped their recording contract. So I think there are alternatives if you really know how to work your way around the new technology and use it to your advantage instead of spending your energy fighting it like the Majors do.
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We put out our new album july first. I found the first illegal download site today. Shows do not pay crap. Right now I'm looking at an 1800 dollar transmission repair to go play shows. Shows are fun and impdortant to get out the word. But when I see my brand new stuff being ripped five days later. I get pissed. Especially from a site that pays bonuses for more downloads.
If a kid has no money and likes my music they can listen for free on Facebook. Of course if they have a smartphone for listening to mp three's and a computer for going on the internt then they could probably afford my album.
Or just pick and choose the songs they say to pay for.
There is good money in music here though if you're willing to play music for the grown up crowd that wants to swing their partner around. The fan base then would be 50+. It's a shame that you have to let go off your soul, bend over and let the demons of crushed dreams have their way with you though...
Ever heard scandinavian danseband? Here's a clip:
If you thought pop is bland, trying listening to all those bands. Every song is the same, originality is not ok. But they make a GOOD living.
ha, Yeah, my parents would love that stuff! Actually it is not all that different from our countryish folk music here. The only thing that I like less than that is our good ol down home Cape Breton fiddle music that is always in 3/4 or 6/8. Like this one, she is well know from where I grew up. But I never could tolerate this style of music, as much as I tried when I was younger.
If you are going to treat music like a business, then treat it like a business. If people aren't going to pay to listen to your style of music, then either play a different style of music or find a different angle to make money. But just because something was a viable business model 15 years ago, doesn't mean it is today.
If live shows aren't making you money, then why are you doing them? Because it's fun? If it's fun, then why are you complaining about not making money? Because someone else is doing it and making money? Then figure out what they are doing different than you are.
Too many good bands? Then find a way to be better or find a different business. That's how business works. There's no rule that says you have to be compensated in order to make music, live or studio. If people aren't buying your stuff, change your stuff. When was the last time you saw a commercial that just complained about people not buying their stuff?
People making good music and not making money is not a new thing. It's been going on since music was invented.
Something Piano Cover:
Danseband is entertaining beyond belief though. The swedes are big on this, and some norwegian bands almost sing in swedish to "make it real", it's ridiculous. Ready for some all time high band photos?
Now this is awesome:
Band name? Cock-suckerz
Album title? Mixed balls...
Says it all... haha
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