It was the most serious relationship...

[csiscs]

I don't understand

Why can't banging a new chick be the answer?

[paul999]

Originally Posted by newkid

This is too serious to believe in your own wisdom to decide the truth.

On the contrary this is too important to leave up to someone else. Since god doesn't speak to me directly with words I better use my own wisdom. I am less likely to leave this to someone who says they speak directly to God unless they can put me on a confrance(sp?) call.

Kidding aside. Religion is a way of humans explaining the unexplainable IMO. I am not opposed to people comforting themselves with the idea of God.

As an aside when I was a kid I was more afraid of god the the devil. With the devil you know he is bad but if your good God will stop him from hurting/tricking you. Or so I was taught. God on the other hand is a punishing bastard that no one can stop if you get on his bad side buy not beliving in him. What ever that means. But then people say but God takes mercy on you. How about not scaring the crap out of me. Now that would be mercy.

[newkid]

Originally Posted by String7th

A few years and it's now a problem? Not likely the root of the issues, or something happened to make her change her religious strength.

If it's the later, obviously not your fault, she decided she wanted to be more religious and you didn't or she never told you so you didn;t even know to try. This is all normal, rifts happen and grow and eventually can become the ender. Trick is to communicate, whether it be about religion, laundry, kids, ability to put the damn fork down.

Other option, she always felt she was more religious had kinda bugged her but wanted to keep you instead of making an issue out of it. Then something else started to grow, talk of kids, laundry, your gut, and instead of talking about it she opted to chicken out and used something else as a scapegoat.

Either way, you move on, play guitar more, stalk her on Myspace for a while and eventually get over it. Sure feels like the end of the world now, but it just takes time.

Yes, we need more info.
If what she did is what he said for those reasons then it is his fault. He can choose his future. Now he has to decide which it will be.

I am suspecting she was hoping to change him but gave up.

[newkid]

Originally Posted by brandondrury

You know, there is nothing like seeing YET ANOTHER glowing testament of God's love.

God still loves everybody. The girl does not want to give that up. The girl wants her male friend to know that love. And then they can love each other better.

We need a lot more info.

Regardless, this is clearly a need she doesn't plan on compromising on. ...
It's obvious your girl wanted her future kids to be raised in a Christian household. That's a common value among Christians. It seems fairly noble, but upon deep investigation it has it's problems.

For real Christians, not nominal ones, or BillyGrahamed ones, that is true. The problems are small compared to compromising on the truth for worldly pleasure.

I think you need to determine if it's really over. Are you really willing to give up? Do you think she is inflexible in her views? Are you guys really done for? A part of me says you can save this thing without corrupting your own values. A part of me says that she will most likely have to corrupt her values. A part of me says that maybe you two aren't compatible based on the criteria she has laid down.

It is over unless guitarguy changes. Yes she believes in her views and they are more important than a mere boyfriend for a while. He can save this by improving his values. Will he be intellectually honest and examine the evidence before making a decision? Compatibility is possible. But he may decide to become a terrorist instead.

"Why wait?" is a fair question. However, much like a military draft, your best troops are your volunteers. Not the ones you force into action at gun point.

Nobody is being forced into anything. This is all free will choices. She chose to leave. He can choose to change. Guitarguy knows the future of both options. There is no gun involved just his mind and maybe his hormones.

A person who chooses down the God path should do it because it he/she feels it's the right thing to do and not because of blackmail....regardless if this is a popular technique (particularly with Islam) for building a religious empire.

Absolutely. There is no blackmail. He should look at the evidence with an open mind and see that it is true. AS to moslems I believe they do it with brainwashign in madrassas not blackmail. Although sharia law may scare some wishywashy nonbelievers into faking it.

Regardless, I think this it is BEYOND SELFISH to look at this as a time exploit a dude while he is down and feed him religious propaganda 101. This IS the time to illustrate God's love. Why people who advocate God's love so much are so stingy with is beyond me, but it's BY FAR the biggest hurdle between you and your goals.

nobody is exploiting the dude. he made his decisions. the future is in his hands. what does he value more? his eternal soul or whatever turned off his chick.

Unless she has it in here head that she must absolutely be with an active, practicing Christian. It's possible that she may end up with with one of the endless number of hardcore practicing Christians who rape kids. Regardless, the title may mean more to her than it does to some of us.

by definition those are NOT practicing Christians. And probably not Christians at all.
It is not the title. That is meaningless. True Christians actually practice their beliefs. The BillGrahamed ones think they got a get_out_jail_free card and can then do any evil thing without consequences.

This is closer to my views, but Christianity, by default, has nothing to do with behavior. Christianity basically says that humans are flawed and the ONLY way of getting to the promised land is a relationship with God (which I still don't understand what that means, exactly).

Christianity has everything to do with behaviour. True Christians will try to act like Christians, not act like a BG GOOJF type person (see above). Actually they say that the only necessary and sufficient condition is belief in Christ as their personal saviour. Jesus is the interface to God.

My Advice
- Ignore the religious debates. There is a time and place for that. Anyone who wants to do that now is clearly trying to exploit you while you are banged up.

It is never too soon to settle the future. Once you are dead it is too late. And accidents happen. The time and place for religion is now and here. This is not a debate. This is truth.

- Focus on your needs and see if they are flexible. Think about the good in the relationship. Think about all the bad. Think about why you haven't maintained your old buddies over the years. (RED FLAG)

- A part of me thinks that maybe this break up has almost nothing to do with religion. I could be wrong, but it's a possibility worth investigating.

That occured to me too. We need to know a lot more.

- If not, begin the healing process. Make a list of old buddies and start contacting them. Dig up an old hobby. Start a new hobby. Find ways to occupy your time. Go lift weights.

- NEVER act out of malice. Running out and just banging a new chick isn't the answer.

But take a good look at the evidence with an open mind before dismissing the "religion thing".

[newkid]

Originally Posted by paul999

On the contrary this is too important to leave up to someone else. Since god doesn't speak to me directly with words I better use my own wisdom. I am less likely to leave this to someone who says they speak directly to God unless they can put me on a confrance(sp?) call.

Kidding aside. Religion is a way of humans explaining the unexplainable IMO. I am not opposed to people comforting themselves with the idea of God.

As an aside when I was a kid I was more afraid of god the the devil. With the devil you know he is bad but if your good God will stop him from hurting/tricking you. Or so I was taught. God on the other hand is a punishing bastard that no one can stop if you get on his bad side buy not beliving in him. What ever that means. But then people say but God takes mercy on you. How about not scaring the crap out of me. Now that would be mercy.

Your own wisdom is foolishness with respect to this.

You should fear the false prophets who try to scare you out of your money (think fornicating televangelists who love booze babes and living well).

That may have been true once, but with modern physics it is pretty clear that there is a God. And I have experienced stranger things than those first hand. There is a lot more than meets the eyeball in this existence.

The real issue is whether Jesus is actually the Christ. If the evidence points to that you would be a fool to keep those ideas you have now.

And if not, would not the world be better off if everyone acted out of love for their fellow people instead of trying to screw them over to make an extra buck? Just imagine no crime. No government spending us broke. No famine. Disease cut to a minimum. No unemployment. Lots of leisure time.

Keep an open mind and explore all the evidence before dismissing it all as fairy tales.

[csiscs]

Originally Posted by newkid

Your own wisdom is foolishness with respect to this.

You should fear the false prophets who try to scare you out of your money (think fornicating televangelists who love booze babes and living well).

That may have been true once, but with modern physics it is pretty clear that there is a God. And I have experienced stranger things than those first hand. There is a lot more than meets the eyeball in this existence.

The real issue is whether Jesus is actually the Christ. If the evidence points to that you would be a fool to keep those ideas you have now.

And if not, would not the world be better off if everyone acted out of love for their fellow people instead of trying to screw them over to make an extra buck? Just imagine no crime. No government spending us broke. No famine. Disease cut to a minimum. No unemployment. Lots of leisure time.

Keep an open mind and explore all the evidence before dismissing it all as fairy tales.

Lol, seriously whomper, no wonder they banned ya.

[Bigduggieface]

Originally Posted by newkid

This is not a debate. This is truth.

Ughh. Enough already with the shameless proselytizing. It is inappropriate.

If my girlfriend went around advocating her wacky, unsubstantiated religious faith in my ear like newkid does, she would be out on her ass.

[newkid]

Originally Posted by Bigduggieface

Ughh. Enough already with the shameless proselytizing. It is inappropriate.

If my girlfriend went around advocating her wacky, unsubstantiated religious faith in my ear like newkid does, she would be out on her ass.

Just tellign the truth.
Guitarguy needs to hear it.
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