amerikkka

[.tom]

Jena video




...this is y 70's r revisited and this is y we can't get past it. until we deal with this we're stuk. and this is y i do not support corporation lifestyle. the faceless corporation has made it best dollar from racism. fuk voting. capitalism is addicted to prohibition.

[brandondrury]

Explain where you are going with this just a little more, if you don't mind, dude. I could take what you've said thus far and take it 8 different directions and I think I might be missing something BIG with 7 of those.

Brandon

[.tom]

ha! well, it's mostly an effort to get peeps thinking 4 themselves brandon. and 2 give exposure about issues that are at the root of national depression. its nasty stuff 2 face but, the majority of leaders and simply, the peeps and corporations think its cool to deny it. here, think about this angle on the subject; this country's incarceration rate is the highest worldwide while most peeps in jail are black/hispanic and most jail time is based on drug prohibition yet most peeps dont connect that set of dots. i dunno... i dont expect to change majority thoughts with this, instead i just reach out to the few with intelligence to think 4 themselves. like you. preaching to the choir? perhaps. but with the propoganda machine of denial cranking out daily brainwash, maybe i can distract from it for a moment... i don't like violent/aggressive approaches except when the other side has overstepped. in this case, its the powers that be and as you know, the majority of peeps. there was quite a aggressive gathering in jena a couple weeks ago... maybe i'm just saying 'more power 2u' with this...

[TAlderson]

Well, from what I've heard about the "Jena Six," they beat some white kids and people are in an uproar because white prosecutors wanted them in jail for a long time. They don't quite sound like heros to me. I agree that those who aren't legally adults shouldn't be tried as such, but to make them into martyrs seems a bit much.

-Tyler

[brandondrury]

The problem with all this shit is you never really know the real story about any of this. Our heros are almost always fakes. The drunk down the street probably saved 12 kids in a fire 20 years ago or something. You never really know.

There is always some cocksucker ready to spin anything he can into getting the public to think his way. Check out the "Fathers of our Flag" movie. It wasn't at all what I thought it would be. It was Wag The Dog...just not funny.

this country's incarceration rate is the highest worldwide

Wow! I had no idea. That's nuts.

I've been reading a WW2 book. They dig in from time to time about how consumerism really got a kick in the ass when the soldiers came home from WW2. After having several years of less than pleasant experiences with the Japanese and Germans, an entire generation decided it deserved a car and a house that wasn't a shitty apartment in the ghetto. I can't say that I blame them.

Of course, this "deserve more shit" concept has grown with every generation. 4 generations later, people will do anything and everything for the person, politician, or corporation that will give them the most shit.

I think a huge chunk of our problems stem for our obesession with shit. $600 cell phones are a huge deal. People pay $100 just to decorate the damn cell phone. Then on the other hand, you've got old guys who carry a spoon with them to Burger King to eat Apple Pies because they lived in a time when you didn't waste spoons.
Which person has more independence? Which one is being controlled? I can tell you right now that the person carrying the spoon doesn't have to answer to any jackass politician or excessively aggressive corporation. I can't say the same for the person who NEEDS a $600 cell phone.

Brandon

[.tom]

yea tyler, i think ur right and it really was made a big deal by the county prosecutor -from there it didn't get smaller. i've never really had a hero or someone i thought was only one way after i found out santa was jesus... ha! well, hope u no wut i mean. and, thru my adult life i've just become more aware that we are all some good, some bad... it's that "imperfect" thing. and this is y i think the first visible sign of corrupt leadership is the "zero tolerance" message and legislation. sure, we should not tolerate a man that needs sex from toddlers but extinguishing him is zero tolerance -we don't do that...(yet). so, that we incarcerate him is tolerance. hypocracy -but with alterior motif. anywayz, i do believe this jena thing was an important event to note cuz it's one with identical elements of unfair and ignorant leadership actions. no matter wut these prosecutors wanna use as an excuse they simply look like bad leaders they are. btw, after i originally posted this i pulled up some online news for the day and found an article explaining the supreme court just concluded drug law manditory minimum sentencing to be racially discriminating but, can't do a thing about it cuz it's legislation. the highest court in america cannot rule on a law that most burdens their system. christian senators from both ruling parties celebrate this as political victory... so, there u go. sum good and sum bad..

i dont need a $600 cell fone and if somone else does thats ok.. but the fact that hundreds of peeps die of starvation every day in the u. of s. is not good. maybe a chunk of our problems do stem from a need to have megashit... maybe a chunk of our problems do stem from a greedy group of corporate ceo's that use tons of really clever marketing ploys to guide a market into it's self serving frenzy to a point where a mugging goes uncontested by lookers on whether it is taking place in the bronx or sioux city.. maybe it's not good that leadership doesn't take care of the peeps in louisiana that lost everthing from the katrina catastrophy 2 years ago, and few peeps in the rest of the country care that these leaders stopped helping. maybe its not good these same leaders are at the same time, going to budget $200 billion for mo betta democracy in iraq.. and still the peeps don't care..

[jdaug]

tom-i still dont get the anti-corporation thing. Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon are always making ambiguous rants against corporations, but at the same time they are raking in millions from movies made by corporations. they are hypocrites.

corporations exist to make profits. if they dont make profits they cease to exist. if all corporations ceased to exist, first you would have to become a subsistence farmer just to survive (because there would be no evil corporations making all the things you take for granted), and second the government would not be bringing in enough tax revenue to provide welfare, free medical care to poor people and illegal aliens, free trailers for Katrina victims, pay the police and military, etc. higher profits for companies=more revenue to the federal government=less tax revenue required from individuals=better quality of life for americans. so I cant really see why profits are bad. maybe you mean excessive profits or gouging? the problem with this is, if there is choice, people will refuse to buy things that are overpriced, so the company doing the gouging would have to lower their prices or go out of business. its a pretty good system. not perfect, but pretty good. what do you think would be a better system? nobody is forcing you to participate in the consumer lifestyle. look at the Amish. they have doing pretty well without corporate america for a couple hundred years. Ted Kaczinski lived in a cave for a few years. not my lifestyle choice, but its there if you want it.

the faceless corporation has made it best dollar from racism.

how so? the only people I see making money off of racism (or false racism) are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. they need to keep racism alive in order to keep making PROFITS for themselves (oops I said a bad word).

this country's incarceration rate is the highest worldwide while most peeps in jail are black/hispanic and most jail time is based on drug prohibition

this is true, except I think you mean that blacks/hispanics are incarcerated PROPORTIONALLY more than whites. the majority of the prison population is still white i believe. either way, the people in jail are the ones convicted by a jury of their peers, so I dont see how the government or corporations are in a conspiracy to put blacks and hispanics in jail at a higher rate than whites. i agree we waste way too much time and money on petty drug crimes. still not sure they should all be legalized, but someone should not go to jail for having an OZ of pot on them. if I were a corporation, especially a drug manufacturer, i would not be in favor of having drugs illegal. thats a huge untapped market for them, with the potential for massive corporate profits if they were allowed to manufacture now-illegal drugs. can you imagine if Pfizer started growing genetically manipulated pot? I would want to get my hands on some of that shit.

[DT Chris]

Consumerism and debt are the true enemy to a free person. Consumerism distracts the free person from what truly matters in the world around him, causing him to be self-centered and divided from others. Easier to conquer that way.

Debt enslaves the free person. The free person works to get ahead in life, the debtee works because he has to, to pay his bills, and to support his (see above) consumerist 'life-style'.

from Fight Club
Tyler: You are not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the shoes you wear. You are not the contents of your wallet...

The enemy is not the Corporation. The enemy are the people themselves, who allow themselves to get all sucked up into this system of distraction. Then one day when it's too late, they suddenly awake and the world has turned to shit around them.

[TAlderson]

Originally Posted by DT Chris

Tyler: You are not how much money you have in the bank. You are not the shoes you wear. You are not the contents of your wallet...

The enemy is not the Corporation. The enemy are the people themselves, who allow themselves to get all sucked up into this system of distraction. Then one day when it's too late, they suddenly awake and the world has turned to shit around them.

Que? When did I say anything related to that????

Agreed. The people are their own worst enemy. To quote Machiavelli,

"The people resemble a wild beast, which, naturally fierce and accustomed to live in the woods, has been brought up, as it were, in a prison and in servitude, and having by accident got its liberty, not being accustomed to search for its food, and not knowing where to conceal itself, easily becomes the prey of the first who seeks to incarcerate it again."

In a related quote from the same book (Discourses on Titus Levy), he says, "Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampant."

There was a great article in the Economist a couple months ago that showed how people vote irrationally. People get too caught up in individual concerns and "morals" voting that they end up completely disregarding many issues that are crucial to the existence of the nation. Or, they are too pissed off at Apple for lowering the cost of the iPhone after they shelled out $650 for another cell phone to care about whether or not the UN actually does anything efficiently or effectively (hint: the answer starts with "n" and ends in "o fucking way").

We're fucked because people care too much about the people in Darfur and not enough about the fact that our dollar is having its ass handed to it by the Canadians. That's right, the Canadians.

-Tyler

[jdaug]

exactly right chris. i must admit im a consumer to some degree, but i live within my means, and if were to find myself in crazy debt, its my fault not the fault of any corporation.

the main reason for the housing/mortgage meltdown is people who had to have a bigger house than their friends, even though they couldnt afford it. corporations made the loans, but the borrower was the idiot who signed on the dotted line. nobody held a gun to anyones head.

i dont try to acquire shit just because I see it on TV, or because my neighbors have shit, or because my favorite rap artist is always talking about how much money, cars, and bitches he has.

---see also Gear Acquisition Syndrome (GAS)