Demonic possestion in the works

[adorian]

My first comment Bingo and some of the other guys would be whether they've heard of an era when metronome didn't exist and music actually breathed?
Come on - it is not like these guys are that off!
The performance could be a bit tighter, I agree, but it was by no means a slouch. If it is pushing and pulling the right way I don't see a problem with it, I just think that if it was recorded with the full band probably the dynamics would be a little different.
I think some of you guys should go back in time and get Venom to invest in a metronome
On the subject of metronomes - most modern production and especially extreme metal in "professional" circles is recorded to a metronome track, then the drums are edited to death and aligned to the grid so every hit is right on time. Then everything but the cymbals is sampled and triggered up. You end with a robotic production style Andy Sneap, which is James Murphy hears me saying he'd have my head
I actually like the fact the music has a human touch of "sloppiness" about it. Maybe it is time we bring music recorded by real musicians back?
I wasn't crazy about the guitar sound, I could hear some more grit and midrange to it, especially since bass guitar will be coming in on the mix later.

[bingoguitars]

true it does depend on the style they were going for. But all I was attempting to say is that if the drummer just practiced with a metronome, when the songs are recorded things will stay together better. He or she could eventually feel if the tempo was racing or breaking. And that all in all would make for a tighter more mature sounding band. They are not playing punk rock. Metal (depending on the era) is much more composed and intricate. I was not trying to say that they were so off I couldn't enjoy the music.
Bottom line is different strokes for different folks. If you like the unrefined/sloppy/raw/organic sound where the tempo moves around then keep it.
If your going for that ultra tight/robotic speed/staccato/intricate sound just give the metronome a shot for 1 month and see what comes of it.
and wasn't the metronome invented in the late 1700's?

[adorian]

Originally Posted by bingoguitars

and wasn't the metronome invented in the late 1700's?

wouldn't know - never needed one, I graduated to a drum machine straight away

I see what you're saying now and it makes sense - the drummer gets his chops tighter with a metronome then he records without but is better because of the improved sense of time. That actually sounds like a good plan, especially as long as you keep the recording engineer away from the grid align function

[brandondrury]

The cymbals are REALLY loud. They don't hurt. So it's your call on this one. It kind of gives it a "garage metal" vibe to it which is kind of cool but not considered to be "hi fi" in any way.

The guitars sound smaller than they would if you had backed off the gain just abit (10% maybe).

I'd hearing what sounds like a lot of close mic on the toms and snare. They are a bit muddy sounding. One solution to this would be to turn the cymbals down 2-3dB and then add a high shelf boost @ 5k (give or take) of 2-3dB. That'll add quite a bit of life to the whole drum kit. I like it on the 2bus sometimes too. Try it and see if you like what it does.

Brandon

[Sir. Witchback]

Originally Posted by brandondrury

The cymbals are REALLY loud. They don't hurt. So it's your call on this one. It kind of gives it a "garage metal" vibe to it which is kind of cool but not considered to be "hi fi" in any way.

The guitars sound smaller than they would if you had backed off the gain just abit (10% maybe).

I'd hearing what sounds like a lot of close mic on the toms and snare. They are a bit muddy sounding. One solution to this would be to turn the cymbals down 2-3dB and then add a high shelf boost @ 5k (give or take) of 2-3dB. That'll add quite a bit of life to the whole drum kit. I like it on the 2bus sometimes too. Try it and see if you like what it does.

Brandon

Everything was recorded in a basment, and the toms are closed miced. I am going to move to our lead guitarest house in a larger room to redo the tracking. I have been fighting with the snare sound alot. I belive im going to change from a Shure PG 58, to a Sennheiser e835 and place a Nady DM 70 on the bottem then take care of the phase in sonar. I also have been having problems with the OH mics on the drums, but hope the larger room with help me with the head room there. Just got a few DI boxes in today to help out on the guitar, Ill have the new mix up after it is played with a bit. Thank you for your input! I love getting feedback.