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Mixing Clockwork Clown - A fHumbling Journey Part 2 - Wrestling the with THE GROOVE.

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by , 04-04-2012 at 08:13 AM (4437 Views)
Here is the link to the mix that I am discussing: cLockWork cLown - fHumble mIx

The second installment about the mix of the track linked above; Here is the first part if you missed it: http://forum.recordingreview.com/blogs/fhumble-fhingaz/153-mixing-clockwork-clown-fhumbling-journey-part-1-big-idea.html

In my last entry, I mentioned how I felt the thing that what "Clockwork Clown" needed was a bit of a "groove injection"... Let me explain what I mean:

As M24P commented on my last entry, the "mechanical" angle of the rhythm seemed important to the message of the song, along with the "clockwork ticking" that provided an internal rhythm of it's own. This is one thing I weighed up, but after some thought & more listening, I came to the conclusion that what we were dealing with was a juxtaposition of a kind - the fragile "human" element of our lives wrestling with the forces that push us towards the regimented, machine-like existence where feeling & emotion are inconvenient & unwelcome.

In line with this, I decided I wanted to try to evoke two contrasting rhythms within the song – On the one hand, a feel that parts of the current drum track already expressed to a degree - The introductory "kick, sidestick, open hihat", very rigid & repetitive loop - & on the other hand, one that was kind of hinted at by the rest of the drum track, containing tom fills & crash cymbals, & even a little hihat sequence with a 16th note "skip" in it.
I set to work with the introductory pattern - My first port of call was to insert an instance Addictive Drums into my DAW - I've had AD for the longest time, & I'm very familiar with the sounds. It has some outrageous sounding presets that are very "effected" - distorted, twisted & radically eq'ed & processed. I found one that seemed to fit the bill - it was very dirty, roomy & lo-fi. Playing back the loop, I felt that the kick drum was just too big & fat, & not nearly crunchy enough for me. Diving into the Addictive Drums effects controls, I high-passed the kick until it had just the slightest bit of "punch", but virtually nothing in the way of sub-bass to speak of... I cranked up the distortion on the kick - Ah! that's better! Industrial levels of grime & grit - nothing that could be mistaken for "Hi Fi".

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At this point, I was possessed by the idea that I should use this same repeating loop through the whole song at various levels of prominence, but once I brought in the "other" drum parts, I thought better of it.
I can't tell you how much I struggled to find the right drum sound for the rest of the track - at one point, I had about 3 different virtual drum instruments open in my DAW project, just trying to find something that I felt really fit. When I got to that point, I thought "time to make a decision , be done with it & just MOVE ON!" - I settled on Superior Drummer 2, called up a fairly natural-sounding preset, & set about "massaging" some "humanity" into the drums…

Why? Well, the most obvious thing that spoiled the drums for me was that all the sections seemed to repeat with no apparent change, or drummer-like randomness (let’s face it –most drummers are notoriously random!) – All the velocities of the hits repeated themselves through each section, everything was bang on “the grid”, all the tom fills were exactly the same, & what’s more the hihat played right through part of the drum fills! That’s ok, if you have access to a 3 armed drummer, but my OCD fixation in the pursuit of human randomness (now there’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one) just couldn’t accept these things! Another thing that just blew my little mind was: Why was our “virtual drummer” pummeling his crash cymbal with such supreme venom? Had someone drawn the face of his mortal enemy on said crash cymbal? Why did he only seem to have one crash cymbal? (Maybe he obliterated the other one in his cymbal-smashing zeal!) Why did he insist on hitting it at the same time as his first tom hit on each roll? Why didn’t he finish his rolls with a crash on the down beat at the end like every other drummer known to man? (Maybe because he didn’t have a crash cymbal on that side of his kit?

... hence, I enjoyed a delightfully busy evening shifting midi drum hits to other notes, thus introducing the virtual drum sticks to other crash cymbals on my virtual kit; shifting timing by miniscule amounts, adjusting midi velocities, & generally going OUT OF MY MIND! Why, Why, WHY?

…SWING! That’s why! Yeah, yeah, I know… Isn’t that something that ancient, moldy old dudes with clarinets & trombones talk about? Maybe, but after playing in bands for years & studying my favorite players, swing is the thing that separates the men from the boys when it comes to rhythm. No, we’re not necessarily talking about “dum da-dum da-dum” obvious, Status Quo –hit-you-between-the-eyes-with-a-4 x 2 type swing here… Rather that almost imperceptible push’n’pull between a great rhythm section that ensures a track doesn’t just ROCK, it ROLLS as well & creates a groove “a mile wide”… ACDC, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Led Zepplin, Double-Trouble & many, many others – they all had it. It’s what makes rhythm come to life... It’s not just in the timing of the drum hits, it’s the way the accents are played, it’s the bass, the attitude…
But there was one critical piece of the puzzle that was needed to complete a compelling rhythm in my mind – The tic tock – yes, that dreaded tic-tock… so many of our number were almost vitriolic in their hatred of it’s insistent clatter whenever one of our brave mixer brethren dared to raise it above more than a whisper during the track’s duration…
I mentioned before that I felt the drum rhythms were “ploddy”, stodgy, Pink Floyd with a hangover, whatever… The rhythm just didn’t seem to move the song forward, whichever way I sliced it. The fact is, if you want a song to feel faster, simply divide the beats up more - Try it… play the same beat on the drums with quarter note, then eighth note, & finally sixteenth note hi-hats… see? It sounds faster even if the tempo is exactly the same…
Lo & behold! Who’da thunk it? The tic-toc held the key to the Clockwork Clown’s sense of forward movement. Simply raising the volume of the tic toc effectively created a fast sixteenth-note pulse that propelled the song forward!... BUT… As already noted, that gets old pretty quick – what to do?...

(Cue ethereal, swelling choir effects)… Guitar Rig! What?...Actually, if there is such a thing as fHumble’s secret mixing weapon, then Guitar Rig is it! Rather ironically, it’s use usually has little to do with guitars. I found a great preset called “Trance Gate” with uses step sequence-able, tempo sync’d effect modifiers to control volume of whatever sound you put through it. By feeding the tic-tock through it, & was able to create accents on the tic tock so that it behaved much like a sixteenth note hihat rhythm…& with a touch of tempo-sync’d delay, it was extra-cool!

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Great, it certainly won the war against monotony, but what about the basic tone being annoying & overly prominent in the mix… Mr High Pass & Mrs High Shelf filter came to my rescue – I was positively vicious with them, but it turned out to be a marriage made in heaven, the offspring of which was a kind of hihat/shaker mutant mongrel…

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Perfect! I multed the track so that I had 3 different versions of the tic toc going at different times in the song to create 3 different feels for each respective section.
Listen to the difference in the difference in the attached files below..

...oh, & one more thing about the drums - & this was a HUGE discovery for me...
Some how, all the drum sounds I called up seemed too heavy-handed & bombastic for the feel I was trying to achieve... Then I remembered - Superior Drummer has a whole other set of samples for both brushes & rods... Ah ha! Rods instead of sticks!... That was IT! Suddenly the drums & cymbals sounded like they were being played instead of destroyed!... It was a big lesson to me - the right sound starts with the right source!

Of course, swing is also in the way the bass pushes & pulls, creates tension & release against the drums…
So that left the bass – what did I do to it? Absolutely nothing! No timing or note tidying at all...Well, for the most part I left it completely “As is” – Now that the drums swung a teeny bit & carried the song forward, the bass seemed to have a lovely, quirky unpredictability to it – kind of like John Entwistle holding down the bottom end for Pink Floyd – completely maverick & all over the place! Great!... BUT… I couldn’t resist… I had the craziest idea & just had to try it. As you can see in the screen-shot, I did it in 4 different sections of about one & a half to two measures each. Basically, I simply took the bassline from the same section earlier in the song, lined it up with the next section, then shifted it to the right by an eighth note. Because the original bass was playing quarter notes mostly, I was able to “slot” them together like musical “teeth” & create a pumping eighth note bassline for that section of the song that followed the same chord progression framework… It took some careful crossfade editing to get it to sit right, & I hemmed & herred about whether I should use it, because I knew I was really stretching the “rules” to the breaking point… but, what the hell – no guts, no glory!

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Bass processing? Check out the screen shots:

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I multed the bass to two different tracks – the first was the lo-fi version of the bass – low & high passed in the Sonar’s Pro Channel EQ, & run through Amplitude’s “Tube Lead” amp.
The Main bass sound was a pretty simple matter of compression & eq in Sonar’s Pro Channel – just low & hi passing, notching out some troublesome muddy frequencies, & getting some clarity in the mid range, as well as some pretty solid compression.

Whew! Well, that’s it for now…
Next Up: Guitars & keys…

Here's the next episode: http://forum.recordingreview.com/blo...3-guitars.html
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Updated 04-07-2012 at 07:54 PM by fHumble fHingaz

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  1. dizzydog's Avatar
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    completely agree on the "tick tock" being the driving element of the rhythm, although you explained why far better than I ever could. and I hate to admit it, I took that route due to my literal interpretation of the "boss' rules" where LazyE said he wanted it heard throughout the song, not because I figured out how important that little rhythm was like you did. once my mix got that groove going thanks to some transient designer tweaks to the tick tock, the few bum notes on the bass and guitars didn't matter nearly as much to me.
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    Truly awesome. I could be way off here but to me you seem to work in sections, attacking one thing at a time with the greater goal at the end in mind, and always thinking about the emotional context. This blog is really gonna help a lot of people bro!!
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    Just got back from bleedin' work, munchin' something and siping a cold one...found that the second installment of the 'Clown mix-Trek' with captain Jean Luc fHumble was on! Already?!?
    Dude you talk about Bobby posting a couple of pounds of posts every earthy day but you surely live in some sort of a time warp (not the Cubase kind) if you had the bloody time to write this mini novel (and with colour pictures too!) already after the shorter but deeper introduction...
    ooookaaay then....
    Is this 'Addictive drummer' sampler/vst kinda free? How does it work and how you actually use this in a project? I mean you send some MIDI track (say, like the drums from the Clown song to it?
    Could I do the same (kinda) with the only gadget that I have and that's 'Halion 3' ?
    Altogether it explicitly looks like you spent a hefty chunk of time just to get the right drums for different sections of the song...with not one but two possibly three different drum virtual 'thingies' (I actually heard of this 'Superior drummer' so if it is similar to the' Addictive' one then they are both pretty pricey!...)...yes it MADE a difference (I am already listening to your mix on 'loop' as a drill while I read, type and choke with beer) but what a patience...you are the epitomy of the Swiss cuckoo clockwork makers!
    ""massaging" some "humanity" into the drums…" - I choked again!...priceless! Take this Ringo!!
    "human randomness (now there’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one)" ditto!! Dig it !
    "Well, the most obvious thing that spoiled the drums for me was that all the sections seemed to repeat with no apparent change, or drummer-like randomness (let’s face it –most drummers are notoriously random!) – All the velocities of the hits repeated themselves through each section, everything was bang on “the grid”, all the tom fills were exactly the same, & what’s more the hihat played right through part of the drum fills! That’s ok, if you have access to a 3 armed drummer, but my OCD fixation in the pursuit of human randomness (now there’s an oxymoron if I ever heard one) just couldn’t accept these things! Another thing that just blew my little mind was: Why was our “virtual drummer” pummeling his crash cymbal with such supreme venom? Had someone drawn the face of his mortal enemy on said crash cymbal? Why did he only seem to have one crash cymbal? (Maybe he obliterated the other one in his cymbal-smashing zeal!) Why did he insist on hitting it at the same time as his first tom hit on each roll? Why didn’t he finish his rolls with a crash on the down beat at the end like every other drummer known to man? (Maybe because he didn’t have a crash cymbal on that side of his kit?"
    I fell off the chair!! This is ' Kafka meets LazyE over a simple yet fast fabricated MIDI rhythm track' !
    Choking, curled on the floor, I reached with the last drop of my sanity the mouse to scroll down and read some more!
    "... hence, I enjoyed a delightfully busy evening shifting midi drum hits to other notes, thus introducing the virtual drum sticks to other crash cymbals on my virtual kit; shifting timing by miniscule amounts, adjusting midi velocities, & generally going OUT OF MY MIND! Why, Why, WHY?" Holy shit!
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!! (Roger Waters meets an 18 wheeler at 60mph)
    And that, your Honour, is where I lost my sanity for good!... I get a glimpse of what THIS actually means and...uhhh and I thought I was a perfectionist...let me ask you this? have you ever considered building a little something out of let's say matches? Or even better toothpicks! Or even better try writing all this again on a grain of rice...I kinda see you capable of doing that oh Lord...
    and all for the SWING?! The groove, the FEELIN' well I will tell you that you achieved just that man! Actually i didn't realize on a conscious level the discreet touch of human randomness you added to the drum tracks and that's exactly where your successes lies in! But then again one might argue that the clockwork title itseld might ASk for a bit of a...robotic, cold perfect and monotone rhythm track (remember a 'techno' band...what?! heck they INVENTED techno - named Kraftwerk ? they made that an art almost) even if this is NOT a techno track (sorry LazyE...it's too good of a song)...
    "Lo & behold! Who’da thunk it? The tic-toc held the key to the Clockwork Clown’s sense of forward movement. Simply raising the volume of the tic toc effectively created a fast sixteenth-note pulse that propelled the song forward!..."
    Yeah I knew THAT!...What a revelation especially when in the 'Boss's requirements' Brandon quotes LazyE saying "make sure the tick tock is heard throughout otherwise the concept is lost" and you too! But you just HAD to push it one Swiss step further...here comes...
    GUITAR RIG?!?! (oy...just how much that might cost?)..........judging just by the posted pictures looks super cool! Time to go get the pop corn now...it's done.
    "Great, it certainly won the war against monotony, but what about the basic tone being annoying & overly prominent in the mix… Mr High Pass & Mrs High Shelf filter came to my rescue – I was positively vicious with them, but it turned out to be a marriage made in heaven, the offspring of which was a kind of hihat/shaker mutant mongrel…"
    Never EVER read fHfH stuff while eating pop corn! I choked again...
    ...after coming back from the ER started almost in a trance-like state to read again while reaching for the needle and the spoon! Why do I feel proud of the fact that Captain Kirk is Canadian?!
    "marriage made in heaven, the offspring of which was a kind of hihat/shaker mutant mongrel" although I understand this (very) metaphorical yet technical statement I feel a gentle haze rolling gently over my cortex...or is it Asimov smoking pot?... MONUMENTAL!!!!
    Changing sticks for RODS?!? Christ almighty!!Where will it stop?!
    "It was a big lesson to me - the right sound starts with the right source!" I will tattoo this on my arms!
    "So that left the bass – what did I do to it? Absolutely nothing! No timing or note tidying at all...Well, for the most part I left it completely “As is”" Come on !!! No bleedin' way!
    "kind of like John Entwistle holding down the bottom end for Pink Floyd" blody hell...I can't afford going back to the ER so soon! You're killin' me! But I can actually PICTURE this in what's left of my brain...
    "I simply took the bassline from the same section earlier in the song, lined it up with the next section, then shifted it to the right by an eighth note. Because the original bass was playing quarter notes mostly, I was able to “slot” them together like musical “teeth” & create a pumping eighth note bassline for that section of the song that followed the same chord progression framework…"
    where , where are these teeth? You should've switched from bars to seconds in the time line of your screenshot ...
    and Amplitube..another pricey little toy? Never heard of this either...Mac? PC? How much?...Looks like an amp modeler to me but what is it?
    So you're using Sonar...
    "I multed the bass to two different tracks – the first was the lo-fi version of the bass – low & high passed in the Sonar’s Pro Channel EQ, & run through Amplitude’s “Tube Lead” amp.
    The Main bass sound was a pretty simple matter of compression & eq in Sonar’s Pro Channel – just low & hi passing, notching out some troublesome muddy frequencies, & getting some clarity in the mid range, as well as some pretty solid compression.
    "
    What's the advantage of using these 'channel strips' versus a good ole EQ and compressor instead?...Why two way processing?! Why, why oh WHHHHaaaay?
    Okay, before I go and slash my wrists I will have another beer...
    Nice...mix presentation...If i survive that long I will be savoring the next installment and be very particular with the acoustic guitar track1 That I wanna know!
    I definitely got more than I asked for!!!!
    Entertaining yet technically to the point...but not something to read while drink or eat...you should add a Warning label on the next episod....err parts!

    Brandon!! this is history in the making! I have never seen/heard/read anything like this on any forum (audio, gardening, knitting, killing dogs, etc) ever! Make sure to copyright this asap and heck copyright this guy as a whole before he decides to join the Swiss Army again!
    AND I got the picture pretty clear (well, almost...exception the musical teeth from the lo-fi bass track)
    GREAT break down man!!! I will definitely go on trying all these 'recipes' in my Cubase kitchen with what ingredient I've got...ughhh
    Thank you, danke schoen, Molto Grazzie
    Next time!!!!
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  4. Radukku's Avatar
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    I'll call in sick tomorrow...
  5. fHumble fHingaz's Avatar
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    Rad, if you find my blogs even one-sixteenth as funny as your replies, I'll be stoked!

    Is this 'Addictive drummer' sampler/vst kinda free?
    Well, yes actually - you can download a fully working demo version for free - It only has kick, snare & hihat, but it'll give you a good idea of what it's all about.... Here 'tis:
    XLN Audio

    Could I do the same (kinda) with the only gadget that I have and that's 'Halion 3' ?
    If it plays drum samples, I daresay yes.

    I actually heard of this 'Superior drummer' so if it is similar to the' Addictive' one then they are both pretty pricey!...)...
    Yes, they both used to be fairly expensive, but there are some websites selling them a very reduced costs: Check out Home | AudioDeluxe - but be prepared to do some credit card damage!
    On the other hand, you might want to try an excellent free drum sample player here: Beta Edition | Bluenoise Plugins

    second installment of the 'Clown mix-Trek' with captain Jean Luc fHumble was on! Already?!?
    LOL! Beam me up!

    I thought I was a perfectionist
    Yes... it's a sickness - this is really my therapy confessional, & you are all my collective psychiatrist!

    You're killin' me! But I can actually PICTURE this in what's left of my brain...
    Keewlll, then my work here is done!

    What's the advantage of using these 'channel strips' versus a good ole EQ and compressor instead?...Why two way processing?! Why, why oh WHHHHaaaay?
    Dude! Have you got all day? Good questions, though, I'll keep 'em in mind...

    AND I got the picture pretty clear (well, almost...exception the musical teeth from the lo-fi bass track)
    Hmm... yeah sorry about that - it made sense to me at the time - I might try to explain that better next time...

    GREAT break down man!!! I will definitely go on trying all these 'recipes' in my Cubase kitchen with what ingredient I've got...ughhh
    Thank you, danke schoen, Molto Grazzie
    Next time!!!!
    Thanks!
  6. fHumble fHingaz's Avatar
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    Originally Posted by bobbybovine
    Truly awesome. I could be way off here but to me you seem to work in sections, attacking one thing at a time with the greater goal at the end in mind, and always thinking about the emotional context. This blog is really gonna help a lot of people bro!!
    Thanks Bob,

    Actually, I know it seems like I work in sections from how I've written it, but in reality I tend to jump around different elements when I get bored with tweaking something. eg. If I'm doing something boring like hand-tuning vocals, I might leave it for a while & jump onto the guitars - or even work on some crazy transition idea for a bit, just to stop myself from going insane.
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    Outrageousousnessessessest
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    Originally Posted by Radukku
    Christ almighty!!Where will it stop?!"
    I would say, never. Having such ideas and being able to make it possible choosing the right tool at the right place.
    For April's song, I have one idea I want to do... but I'm not enough skilled to make it working properly

    It's many many steps further than I can imagine.


    Originally Posted by fHumble fHingaz
    Dude! Have you got all day?
    Haha, I'd like to

    I'm thinking about your different drum samples library you get and I tried to figure out how much time you needed to walking thru presets and settings and knowing them really well
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    Updated 04-07-2012 at 02:43 AM by ncls
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    Originally Posted by ncls
    I would say, never. Having such ideas and being able to make it possible choosing the right tool at the right place.
    For April's song, I have one idea I want to do... but I'm not enough skilled to make it working properly

    It's many many steps further than I can imagine.
    Yeah, I'm with you on this one mate...


    Haha, I'd like to

    I'm thinking about your different drum samples library you get and I tried to figure out how much time you needed to walking thru presets and settings and knowing them really well
    And so would I...but my days seem to have 23 sometimes 22 hours only damnnnnn....
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    Ah, I have one question about the bass sound on chorus: is there another FX, tweak, trick, something on?
    Does it mean provided bass track come without modification, runs through your channel FX and goes to 2 bus and finally gives that sound I really?
    It sounds too easy for me
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    Originally Posted by ncls
    Ah, I have one question about the bass sound on chorus: is there another FX, tweak, trick, something on?
    Does it mean provided bass track come without modification, runs through your channel FX and goes to 2 bus and finally gives that sound I really?
    It sounds too easy for me
    Hey ncls - Yeah, I double-checked my processing on the bass & it is very simple - just the 1176 style compression & the eq. shown on the screen-shot of the Pro Channel. It just goes straight to the 2buss. The only different thing I did was that I used the "Dry/Wet" control on the Pro Channel compressor to mix the dry signal with the compressed one (you can see the setting in the screen shot); in other words, parallel compression. It's funny, I can't even recall doing that - it was just a matter of tweaking it until if felt right. I did automate the bass track in one spot though - toward the end under "so I'm not such a lonely clown..." there were 3 notes played high up on the bass neck that just shot out of the speakers really loud, so I automated them down in volume. I think that might have had to do with the midrange boost I gave the bass @ 874hz as shown in the screen shot.
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    hey thanks for the break down i am enjoying it. nice to see another sonar x1 user. it is becoming oh so familiar. keep up the good blogging.
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    This is what I mean by " boy, I have a lot to learn about this stuff". Great breakdown fHumble! In reviewing my notes, your hard work and deep thought reflects in my high marks for your mix.-TB
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    This is even more interesting ! On to the next part.