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by , 07-31-2012 at 01:36 PM (750 Views)
Soon.. I will write a big article about recording techniques I use on budgets over 500 bucks per song.
And I wanted to remind myself about this small but very important technique that will be also set in an example.

First and fore-most. When recording live instruments on a multi-track as opposed to 1 instrument at a time. Things happen.
Lets talk about the bass drum membrane.
If a mic is placed with-in it and the face is smashed. It will always resonate at the same frequency.
Now a song with a A G D progression has different harmonics in play.

The first step to procure a good recording is to tune the drum to well... maybe A.
After-wards record the song structure that contains A. Than Re-tune the drum and record the measures with G....and do the same thing for the song measures out of D.

Of course. The small little details such as the Bass guitar rumbling away through a 500 watt amp. May slightly affect the physical performance of the said membrane causing slight distortion from the root notes.
Couple that distortion with affliction caused by the Guitar rig of a 200 watt marshall. Add in a screaming singer and blast him through a 1000 watt p.a. and you just killed all that hard work put into tuning the dang-ong thang.

There is not a theory that can stand for calculating this as you would have to compensate varied faces and pin configurations and sizes and materials...lets not forget materials people put in the drums. Than youd have to compensate the room...and etc. It would be though a very complicated equation for any string-theory enthusiasts to discover.

A simple way to figure out where the bass drum will sit how-ever. Is using a good recording program such as Reaper (acid wont work).
Just record the session (as a scratch take) but run an emphasis on the kick drum being the pro-dominantly captured element for the scratch tracks. Afterwards study the EQ (in reaper setting an eq parameter with your mouse lets you know what note it is.. as it has a niftly little algorithm for calculating that). If A is 440 than 220 and 110 and 55 are your octaves. This calculation is alot easier than if you were to calculate things before youd record.
After-wards.

Consider the changes that need to be done. Lets say the bass drum goes to a B on a Riff that has a C progression and further-more goes to an F on a D progression. If the kick drum is tuned to A.

A-A
B-C
F-D
Getting a mathematical relation-ship would be hard.

But if you tune the kick drum to Asharp. You would end up getting different result. If you tune it to the Fifth of A (either lower or higher) there would be different result again. IE.

E-A
G-C
B-D

Even if this is just for the base harmonic... It still can help a mix sound better.
The easiest way to simulate the whole. Band messing with the kick drum affect is to just automate an eq notch to shift position during cord changes. Automating a pitch shift though might throw the whole mix off.
Using a complicated reverb bus with varied eq automations for the whole mix and keeping this as the kick drum track without any of the dry stuff might simulate the live version of this. But in the end.
Its one of those recording techniques that is more often than not wasteful to incorporate.
Having a studio that sounds great may help. But in the end... It wont do everything. It will be a few different kinds of bass drum sounds.

Than again. Everyone is already going bonkers for sampled drum kits. Who cares if the drum set loses dynamics ?
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  1. drummer67's Avatar
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    [/QUOTE]Than again. Everyone is already going bonkers for sampled drum kits. Who cares if the drum set loses dynamics ?[QUOTE]

    Well, if your a drummer like I am then yes you do care. I have tried all this mumbo jumbo with tuning a drum kit two different keys and from What I have seen it's a waste of time. Let's say you tune the kick too A.. but if doing so and that drum is not in tune with itself then It will sound like shit. Each drum has a spot where it sounds the best and if you move too far +or- from this spot that drum is not intune with itself. I would say if you intend too play just one note on the bass gtr then you might just be fine as long as the drum is intune with itself, but whats the chances of just playing one note song. I have done this with a keyboard player wanting too tune my drums to different chords. I caught flack from the bass player and guitar player, man what did you do too your drums they sound like shit.

    I use a drumdial for tuning my drums and as long as i stay in the right timpanic pressure settings for each drum my kit sounds dam good and translates well when recorded.
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  2. dudermn's Avatar
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    Kinda what I was saying.
    Tuning the drums to that sweet spot involves first learning where that sweet spot is... something I dont doubt is very hard for alot of people.
    Timpani where originated as a instrument for orchestrations. And back in the nineteen hundreds and eighteen hundreds (and earlier) people used to actually worry about physics on instruments. So thus timpani have evolved to be very well adapted at what they do...or I should say we developed them into being....

    I guess the pressure being set right helps color the drum in the right way and helps them sit just right in a set.
    Your drums might just throw back sound from the bass or guitar or keyboard or sax... etc... but throw it out of phase creating the pocket where the percussive hits have time enough to gently **** the ears.

    As tuning your drums to different chords... Do you mean As the whole set being tuned to a C chord ?! Or tuning all the drums to a different note ?

    There is a right way to do this and a wrong way.
  3. GrooveMaster's Avatar
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    Ever thought about using EQ in relationship with the the rootnote? meaning on a A chord the 440 Hz or the other octaves or the 220 or 110 Hz? Dont know if that is a good idea but it will save you the trouble of tuning the drums with each chord... I havent tried it yet, there are always more trivial things to do like doing the basic mix...one of these days I will give it a try (I think)
  4. drummer67's Avatar
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    As tuning your drums to different chords... Do you mean As the whole set being tuned to a C chord ?! Or tuning all the drums to a different note ?
    We did both ways cause the keyboard player wanted to try everything out. The bass and gtr players told him were done with it and for me too go back too the way i tune them with the drum dial. For playing out i tune them to the lower end of the specs..for recording i use the hi end of the specs..
  5. brandondrury's Avatar
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    I just want to point out that if sample drums lose the apparent dynamics of the real performance it's entirely the fault of the engineer that poorly used those samples.

    Maybe some day I'll have to look into this whole tuned-to-key drums business. I have encountered only one time where I felt the drums were not in tune with the song. That was on sustaining toms for a country rock thing.

    I always just looked at kick as a low frequency and high frequency transient. As long as you get that bottom octave right (between 40-60Hz) and the top attack right, it's doesn't take much to get just a hair of body in the 100Hz-ish range. That's worked fairly well for me, I guess.

    I think I'll do this experiment with kick drums I've made in Massive as tuning them precisely is a breeze. Then I'll post the results. I do know that a kick with a fundamental frequency of 46Hz is an entirely different animal than a kick centered at 60Hz. Trying to get the low end girth out of a 60Hz kick is tough...(probably doable if I understood synthesis better). I'm very much concerned that changing kick pitch will shift it into a sound I don't find nearly as desirable.

    Brandon
  6. dudermn's Avatar
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    HAHA !!! I DIDS IT !!!!!
    The kick on this was thought out in a rather...weird way. Originally 1 sample was ran on 2 tracks. One track had eq and compression for bringin out the low end and pitch shifted to reflect that. It was a long and sharp compression giving it that tail end.
    The second track was used to bring out the percussive element of the drum and it too had a fast sharp compressor but with a quick holster. Low cutting the percussive element and bring the eq up to obnoxious level made mixing the draft of this song hard...but at stage 2 of the project was where the good effects where put on the kick it started sounding good.

    After the 2 kicks got bounced I planned to bring them back in adding to the compression of the low kick a slow compressor with inf release.
    But what was going to make that kick sound right was the delayed percussive track. By putting the percussive part slightly after the low end it sounds as if the kick drum membrane is vibrating very slowly (what 12 hertz?).

    Now I mentioned that I would post up un-orthodox recording techniques and examples....but delayed kick drums ?

    http://soundcloud.com/dheudeghetlaust/homi-b

    Updated 09-16-2012 at 09:21 PM by dudermn (pictures)
  7. dudermn's Avatar
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    As can be seen. There are no phase issues and the delay is lined up (almost) perfectly.

    P.s. Does any-one else have transient issues with their kick drums
    Updated 09-16-2012 at 09:22 PM by dudermn