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Here are 5 of the top compression mistakes that I've come across over the years.

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by , 07-25-2012 at 10:21 PM (3084 Views)
I had posted this in july's digital cup comp and had a few say that i should post this as a blog post. There were a few that had said that they had learned some things from this post on compression so here it is. Here are 5 of the top compression mistakes that I've come across over the years. If your guilty of any (or all) of these don't worry I am too.

1. Waiting until the end of the mix to add compression to the mix bus.

This is the easiest way to unravel a great mix. If you want to compress the entire mix (which is totally fine to do), make sure you add the compressor to your mix bus EARLY in the process.

Then make all your mix decisions while listening to the mix THROUGH that compressor.

2. Using compression instead of automation to bring out quieter parts in a lead vocal.

Doing this WILL make everything the same volume, but it can sound super squashed.


3. Compressing each piece of the drum kit BEFORE adding compression to the drum bus.

This is similar to number 1. If your drums tend to sound too compressed, try compressing the drum bus FIRST, then decide if you need a little more compression on individual tracks.

Sometimes the bus compressor makes individual compressors unnecessary.

4. Not using an “aggressive” compression setting — even though it sounds good — because you think it’s “wrong.”

I oftentimes squash the crap out of bass tracks. Why? Because it sounds good in my mixes.

If it sounds good, you’re doing it right.


5. Using too much make-up gain, so the compressed signal is always louder than the uncompressed signal.

I like to be able to bypass the compressor and hear the track at the same volume. If the compressed signal is louder, it will sound “better” to me, even if it actually sounds worse.

Make ‘em the same level, and you’ll be able to tell if the compressor is helping or hurting.

Hey, compression is one of those things I couldn’t figure out on my own. I needed someone to teach it to me, THEN things got really fun (really fast).

I always WORK BACKWARDS.

Most people have a particular order they use for compression.

Let’s use drums as an example.

First they’ll use compression on the individual tracks. Kick, snare, maybe toms. They’ll probably squash the room mic, too.

Next, they’ll compress the drum bus. (Route all the the drums to a stereo bus or aux and add a compressor plugin to that bus.)

Then they’ll compress their entire mix by putting a compressor on the master bus.

So let’s follow our friend, Mr. Snare Drum, on his journey, shall we?(this would be your crash cymbal)

First he runs through his individual compressor and gets squashed pretty heavily. Next he goes through the drum bus compressor, where more squashing happens. Then, if he’s got any strength left, he runs through the mix bus compressor.

Poor little guy. He never had a chance.

If I feel like I’ve over-compressed a track, it’s usually because I haven’t worked backwards.

Rather than starting with the track, start with the mix bus. If you’re going to compress the mix anyway, do it at the beginning.

Next, compress the drum bus. You may find that simply compressing the drum bus gives you the EXACT snare drum sound you want.

You’d never know that if you compressed the snare track first.

So there you have it. Work backwards.

This works for anything, not just drums. Sometimes I find the lead vocal gets compressed quite a bit at the mix bus compressor, which causes me to use less compression on the vocal itself.

Of course, knowing the right order to use compression is helpful, but only if you know how to set up the compressor.

Listen Before You Compress

I know this seems like an obvious piece of advice, but do you really listen to a track before slapping a compressor on it? I admit, I’m guilty of this. I just assume the track needs compression before I really critically listen to it.

Your goal should be to make the music sound as amazing as possible with as little compression as possible. Do I think you shouldn’t use compression at all? No way! The problem, though, is that unnecessary compression can create a whole bucket of new problems for your mix. Rather than making things harder for yourself, listen to the track first, then decide what changes need to be made to make it sit better in the mix.

Only then should you reach for a compressor, and even then, you should have a very specific goal in mind for what you want to accomplish sonically with that compressor. For example, you may want to bring out the attack of a kick drum part. Or maybe you want to tame some of the louder bass notes.

What I Do

With that said, there are a handful of tracks I almost always compress. Kick drum, snare, bass, and lead vocals usually get some compression. However, it really depends on how the parts were tracked.

Things I don’t like to compress? Percussion, acoustic instruments, mandolin, piano, cymbals, pads, ect. That’s not to say I won’t compress them if they need it, but I find that compression on an acoustic instrument can change the tone WAY too much. A piano, for example, has so much harmonic content. When you compress a piano track, these harmonic frequencies get louder, potentially making it sound a bit unnatural.

Just like everything with mixing, use your ears. Know what you want it to sound like, and work hard to get it to sound that way.

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  1. m24p's Avatar
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    I agree with all 5 points except maybe #3, but perhaps that's because I've heard drum bus compression misused a lot. People will often pump the overheads this way (I usually compress the drum buss without the overheads or room mics to avoid this). I've even heard undesirable pumping of the snare tail with the kick. I don't think it's always necessary to compress the drums as a group, either. But if you ARE planning to compress as a group, throw the compression on the group first before doing the individual elements.
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    Yes m24p i agree with you on the overhead staying out of the drum bus compression. I like to have a buss just for my cymbals too keep them from the artifacts of the compression. For the most part I don't like to compress the room mic's unless i feel it is needed but not before I deal with main mix compression. I come from the less is more background. I like to use automation over compression if I can help it. I only like to use compression to gel a mix together more than anything. This is why I work backwards with compression when mixing. Don't get me wrong I do like the sound of compression, I just dont like the artifacts of overused compression. I have seen it too much where the dynamics are trashed because of over compression. I don't like that when you play a cd of todays music being put out that it is so compressed too get a solid dr reading of 4. Too me music has to breath with dynamics through out, I don't think a song that is one level and so loud sounds good. I understand x wants too be louder than what w put out on there cd but when it is hard too listen too for 1 hr ,why bother. Go see some of these bands in concert and they don't even sound like the cd they put out.
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    Nice to see the entry to the blog history
    By the way, I think you can add a bit of formatting to enhance it.
    It looks like (and I think it is) a copy and paste.

    I also agree with m24p but I think that the point is to avoid BIG mistakes about compression (a beginner point of view in other words ).
    When you begin to speak about parallel compression, grouping snare, kick and bass to make a "fat" track, creating particular submix with OH and room tracks and so on, it is far beyond the topic of that article.
  4. drummer67's Avatar
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    Nice to see the entry to the blog history
    By the way, I think you can add a bit of formatting to enhance it.
    Thanks and Next time I will try too.

    but I think that the point is to avoid BIG mistakes about compression (a beginner point of view in other words ).
    Yes you are right. It was to help with ways to not overcompress.

    When you begin to speak about parallel compression, grouping snare, kick and bass to make a "fat" track, creating particular submix with OH and room tracks and so on, it is far beyond the topic of that article.
    In a way yes it is beyond topic but we are still talking about compression on sub busses/groups/mix busses/master mix buss ect. Even though we have groupings in sub busses I still start with the master buss compressor first and work backwards and most of the time I may use compression on a sub buss but not always on individual tracks. Too me the two most used tactics are fader miss them when there gone and automation to level peaks then compression to gel my sub groups together. There are times that i take all my sub busses and run them to an all in one group buss and compress this before the master 2-buss.
  5. dudermn's Avatar
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    It is very important to understand that one compressor alone is not all it takes to nuke..I mean straighten out the dynamics.
    I am surprized you did not mention using only one compressor per track.
  6. brandondrury's Avatar
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    Excellent blog, dude! I can live with all those points. I've been thinking NOTHING but compression this week as I'm doing working on a complete video series covering this dynamics crap. I'm ready for the delay video. It's a lot less work.
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    It is very important to understand that one compressor alone is not all it takes to nuke..I mean straighten out the dynamics.
    I am surprized you did not mention using only one compressor per track.
    3. Compressing each piece of the drum kit BEFORE adding compression to the drum bus.

    This is similar to number 1. If your drums tend to sound too compressed, try compressing the drum bus FIRST, then decide if you need a little more compression on individual tracks.

    Sometimes the bus compressor makes individual compressors unnecessary.

    I tend too use automation over compression on on each track too straighten out dynamics unless a track cry's for compression. When we put a single compressor in nuke mode is when we get artifacts of an overcompressed sound. Using one compressor with a lot of reduction is not something I like to do. If I wanted a 12 db reduction I would use 3-4 compressors shaving 3-4 db with each compressor with way less artifacts than one compressor in nuke mode.

    Excellent blog, dude! I can live with all those points.
    Thanks Brandon, glad you like.

    I've been thinking NOTHING but compression this week as I'm doing working on a complete video series covering this dynamics crap. I'm ready for the delay video. It's a lot less work.
    Cool, I love KHR, it has bailed me out many times now and was wondering if you had anything new in the works. Can't wait
  8. brandondrury's Avatar
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    Cool, I love KHR, it has bailed me out many times now and was wondering if you had anything new in the works. Can't wait
    I ALWAYS have something new in the works. The problem is I have TOO many things in the works. Having an assistant has been a game-changer for me. He's inventing some metal guitar shootout right now. (I can hear the sub slightly shaking the house.)

    In The Works:
    - Hyper Guides Member Area
    The plan is to start with 450 ultra-mega-Brandon-style videos on the topic of setting up a studio, mixing, tracking, and dealing with clients that range from the ultra basics to the ultra absurd.

    - Full Disclosure Sessions
    Believe it or not I'm not far on this, but I'm having some technical issues.

    - Surviving And Thriving In This BS Recording Studio Business
    This book is 90% written and focuses entirely on how to make a living at this stupid gig and how to avoid the 6,000 bear traps I've already stepped in.
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  9. dudermn's Avatar
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    Originally Posted by drummer67
    3. Compressing each piece of the drum kit BEFORE adding compression to the drum bus.

    This is similar to number 1. If your drums tend to sound too compressed, try compressing the drum bus FIRST, then decide if you need a little more compression on individual tracks.
    And what happens when the track in question contains vocals? or how about guitars ? or a bass?

    I was not referring to the drums.
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    And what happens when the track in question contains vocals? or how about guitars ? or a bass?

    I was not referring to the drums.
    This was a referance using drums but the same thing can be used for any aspect of any track. This hole post is geared at ways to avoid over compression and they can be put to use on vocals,guitars and bass. we should not always just reach for compression before using simple things like using just the fader for a miss them when there gone or using automation over compression.

    2. Using compression instead of automation to bring out quieter parts in a lead vocal.

    Doing this WILL make everything the same volume, but it can sound super squashed.
  11. dudermn's Avatar
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    Ya well if Forrest Gump would find this thread he wont understand a thang
  12. GrooveMaster's Avatar
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    1. yup, did that... now I´m not doing it anymore. When you use 2buss compression it glues everything better and everything sounds better even when you haven`t began yet! whats not to like? after hearing Bruce Swedien (compression is for kids!) however I altered my method because I was not getting ´the sound´that I wanted. ´that sound´has got a lot to do with transients and they are the first things to go when using compression, even with slow attack, and you can get em just once while recording and than they are gone! so if you want them, proceed with caution.
    and the glue thing: you can get that by using carefull EQ. off course the type of music you mix makes a vast difference.

    2.Using compression vs automation: when using compression it works all the time except for the quiet parts and automation you just use when it is necessary. the less you process your music the more pure it stays. again: not all kinds of music demand that. the longer I do this kind of work the more I discover the ´less is more´thing works for me. but it might not work for you.

    3.I never put a compressor on a individual track (unless it is for a certain tone, I use compressors more for their tone then for volume control) but I use the NY compression trick for almost everything. again: the pure raw sound is still there but you still can compress and tuck it underneath. when using busses for drums I use a tapesimulator (UAD Studer) that acts as a compressor but it does that little more subtle.

    4.I never leave things out because I think it is wrong (pfff) but because i dont like the sound- the fun (and annoying) thing about mixing is: there are no rules!

    5. makes so much sense it shouldnt even be said. if you see guys putting compression on things before they even start.... they even have a template for that!

    now I am not saying your advice is bad, it is rather good for most people but i think there might be others.. and the things I said arent written in stone just some guidelines for myself. but nice to see someone feels the need to share his hard earned wisdom. well done!

    ehm about that nuking thing: if you want to nuke something with 10dB use 2 compressors that nuke 5dB and you will have a lot less artifacts than just using one compressor, took me some time to get that...
  13. brandondrury's Avatar
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    ? after hearing Bruce Swedien (compression is for kids!)
    This has came up many times on Pensado's Place. Most engineers laugh a little at the comment. This doesn't mean we shouldn't take it seriously. It is a clue.

    if you want to nuke something with 10dB use 2 compressors that nuke 5dB and you will have a lot less artifacts than just using one compressor
    I can routinely knock off 12dB with a Distressor and not hear any obvious artifacts. Not all compressors can do that and the Distressor can certainly get nasty if you want it too. Some compressors I use SPECIFICALLY for their artifacts. YMMV.
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    Mmmm, got to get me one of those Distressors....or not?

    on a daily basis I listen to the radio where they only play classical stuff (Brahms, Sjostakovic, Bach etc)-start laughing-because thats the only station that doesnt drive me nuts with their squeezed sounds and headchopping siblants. one day I was listening and fuck! where does all the agression and killing S´es come from? I contacted them and asked if they had changed their compression methods. after contact with the techguys I was told that they had a new compressor: a Distressor!
    maybe they didnt know their new toy yet and I can imagine with radio and the multiple compression stages it has to go through, it isnt easy to know when its too much. by now, everything is back ok and I havent bothered to ask if they threw it out of the window or that they learned to work that thing. if you are interested I will ask, another chance to be a pain in the ass.

    Anyway,enjoy your Distressor! and if it works for you there is no problem. Maybe I can go work at the radiostation so I can try this thing...

    the max of gain reduction I do is some 3dB....maybe I´ve gotten allergic to compression? beats me, to each his own.

    artifacts? I use my Joemeek for that so I know the feeling.

    have a nice day
  15. brandondrury's Avatar
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    The mid-band emphasis button (side chain mid-band boost) on the Distressor helps radically with sibilance.

    Of all things that cause sibilance, I'm not sure I've ever heard one particular compressor that caused it more than others although some compressors are voiced to attack sibilance more than others. The process of compression is going to bring up all low-level things, obviously, and that includes esses. It's almost alway singer technique, mic technique, mic selection, and preamp selection that cause it/reduce it for me.

    on a daily basis I listen to the radio where they only play classical stuff (Brahms, Sjostakovic, Bach etc)-start laughing-because thats the only station that doesnt drive me nuts with their squeezed sounds and headchopping siblants.
    If that's the ONLY radio station that sounds listenable, it sounds like you have an audio system that's very sibilant. I've always wondered about people who thought that "ALL" modern pop productions were too bright were just using very bright stereos so that Dark Side Of The Moon or whatever doesn't sound too dark. Maybe not.

    If I was compressing for FM, I'm not sure the Distressor would be my choice. I was under the impression that most radio stations were using multi-band types. I only have one Distressor, but I don't see it being a great choice on the 2bus anyway.

    Regardless, I wouldn't be using FM radio to make any fidelity decisions.

    Brandon
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    I am mostly afraid of putting a compressor on a spoken voice, even with a SM7...maybe I should try with my ua610? maybe there is a difference with a software compressor? OFF COURSE, DIMWIT!!! I hear people yelling...

    and I know my audio system is not your average system (Denon amp with Warfdale speakers) and that it sounds more clinical as most others, its inherited from someone who only listened to classical music and he was a freak at that. but nonetheless, the radio always sounded great on that system and it sounds great now, it is just that I know my speakers well and I know when it sounds weirder with the same radio, thats not a question of fidelity.
    Its the same thing like you once said you can make great mixes on not so great monitors, you just have to know them well... .

    funny that you mention it but I was planning of writing something about bright music . just listen to snaredrums and overheads from the music from lets say the sixties till now and you will notice that there are some really dull snares, even in the nineties, but hey, they still come through! generalisation!- modern music contains al lot more high mids these days and the high mids are the frequencies where the ears are the most sensitive too, so if you have a voice with high mids but also a guitar and keys you dont know where to listen to and that is causing ear fatigue. or havent you noticed you can play the cds from the seventies whole day long but if you play some modern music you cant stand it that long?
    when you replace the high mids with the brilliance (6-16kHz) you get more the sound of earlier music(nicer to listen to) but it doesnt feel like that because it feels fresher and that is due to the brilliance frequenties. I spoke with a couple of fellow soundfreaks about it and they had noticed it too so the army of people that find music is bright is growing . if you are still interested (or should I say intrigued?) by this I could give some examples but I am sure you will hear it in your own music collection too. I have to say that I listen to somewhat other music then most people I think (jazz anyone?). but if you disagree we will agree to disagree and move on.

    I think your knowledge on compression for FM far exceeds mine so I trust you in this. and you are right with the singer technique, mic technique, mic selection, and preamp selection to avoid SSSSSSS but I will have to experiment on that further, during tracking I dont notice it but when I just start to look at a compressor my head gets chopped off, drives me nuts especially when I have to play that through the sound system of our theater with a few thousand watts...

    now, back to topic!
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    Great Post! I agree with everything you said. However, I would like to add 2 points. 1) Recently, I have heard a number of big-league recordings featuring a heavily compressed acoustic piano or acoustic piano samples. This seemed to be done to create a particular vibe. I BLOODY HATE THAT SOUND!!! But the engineers/producers doing it make a lot more money than I do. Then again, so do financial planners who run Ponzi schemes, so I guess that does not justify it! 2) I agree that a distressor would seem to be an unlikely choice for on-air compression. Orban is the most known name in on-air compressors. However, the purpose in on-air compression was never to make music sound better, but to ensure that the station could approach maximum modulation more frequently so that it would appear louder to sales reps trying to sell air time:-) One station where I frequently appeared on-air had a CRL multiband limiter (I believe CRL bought Orban). I always noticed that my mixes seemed more bass heavy over that station than when on my own media. One day I looked at the compressor and noticed the bass had been pushed up rather high. I don't know if the engineer did that or some announcer or visitor did it. I merely chuckled!
    -Fred Korkosz
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    Even worse, some romplers have heavily compressed acoustic piano presets, allowing one to easily obtain those horrible sounds in a live setting:-)
    -Fred Korkosz
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    I have touched base on what frequencies cover the hearing spectrum of humans.
    (Me-peg layer 3 Caste Evolution) Ya...sorry for promoting myself. I learned how to run a Ponzi scene back in Romania

    With that being said. As we seemed to have learned what we can hear and how to manage that space more professionally.
    I for example try real hard to place every instrument in that 1k to 6-7k region to make sure it is present.
    Than when you get complicated. The outter ear picks up low frequencies as a **** tingling sensation of the ear fat (cartilage in medical terms).
    Considering that heavy low end can disorient people. I try real hard to use all this .. modern knowledge to my advantage.

    In the end we can only be happy that people are still "recording" sounds that disgust people. So what if a piano vibe doesnt sound good to you... Thats why it sounds good to a million other people

    One day all music will sound the same. We will only hear the same exact song with the same exact lyrics over and over again on the radio. We will kill ourselves out of bore-dum. As of know we only reuse the same chord progressions... and song structure... the instruments constantly change... the tempo... the dynamics (or lack of) and the "vibe". But the song remains the same.

    A good example of a Ponzi scheme is just how many songs have been written out of a D A B G progression without the general public noticing. It started long before the 1950s....Im pretty sure of that...well maybe not that long

    But yea.. Music is like a box of chocolates. You never really know what your getting.
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    to Phred: ah, finally someone that agrees...dont feel like a lost soul anymore.

    about that pianosound: because something sells doesnt mean its good it is just that people seem to like it and I often wonder about people and music nowadays....a girl once said: I like that song, it has got a nice rythm. it was just a four to the floor rhythm played by a programmed drum machine....times are a changing and I´m glad I seem like an old fart (I´m not) but people should learn the difference between ´thats good music´or ´I like that music´...and then you have to know: am I making music for the music or to make money? I do them both

    Orban? never heard of it...maybe in Begium they have different ways? I´ll ask around.

    compression to make something sound better? I guess we know better than that (Brandon is getting really pissed right now...) yeah, I know the louder is better thing but that radio is the quietest of them all and instead of making a fuzz about it I just turn up the volume...this station is no commercial radio station but a ´openbare omroep- dutch´what means public service i think. They are payed by the gouvernement (seems like old russia) so they dont have to play music that is popular, they just send out classical music (and jazz) to enlighten the people. pointless to say that they dont have a lot of (younger)
    listeners...but hey, they dont have to! what about the voices then? ah...they give headlines of the day off course and they are all the same (their are a few other radios in that public service thing) but than you can hear the different sounds and use of compression en EQ used for each channel (I guess there are more radio stations with the bass pumped..). each radio has his own face, guess thats the same in US of A? maybe all this seems weird to people that dont live here and if you have questions just ask em but I wont spill any more place on this nice forum.

    grtz
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    to dudermn: ok, nice but heavy stuff...I will have to admit I´m no scientific engineer, I dont care how a mic works or a compressor (there we go again) but I do care to know how to use something to get the result that I want. if something is broken i send it to someone who can fix it...maybe because my background is different? I studied languages, then music and then engineering..

    to make sure everything is present: is that really necessary I wonder? its like walking on the street and seeing a nice woman (or man, whatever turns you on) you get distracted but no worries, just watch that dustbin on the corner of the street! but imagine that everything that walks past you is the most gorgeous creature you have ever seen? how to focus one the most beautiful? you cant because they are all beautiful! and you may be lucky if you ever get out that street. the same with the high mids that claim your attention. just use them for the things that demands the attention such as vocals and melodies....let the rest support them. it is not that I dont fully agree with you that you are not right, everyone who reaches his goal is right. so follow the road that you have chosen, I do the same, not worrying if other people are telling me i´m crazy (they do). if you have your own view (that view is lacking with some people I think) and you are certain of it dont question yourself, just go for it.

    One day all music will sound the same? mm, dont know. i agree that everything has been done before and i do agree that popular music wont bring us anything new because there is nothing new anymore (I once played a jazz standard with exactly the same chords and almost the same melody as Still got The Blues) but you can make new combinations with all the known things and thats the way it will go (and goes), they call it crossover...after that? dont know...but if we make the music like people would like to hear it, I guess you are right. I admit, I am a cultural pessimist...
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    people should learn the difference between ´thats good music´or ´I like that music´.
    The former requires putting on a robe and maybe a wig and having people bow down to kiss the ring on your finger before you deem what is "good" and isn't "good" in the music world. Of course, no one when judging what "good music" is looks to some kind of pseudo-deity figure to tell them. There is no high council of music. There's no one who has it "figured out". I'd argue that there is NO globally "good" music. Complex music? Sure. Simple music? Sure. It boils down to either you like it or you don't. The end. No person I've ever met is in a position to judge.

    compression to make something sound better? I guess we know better than that (Brandon is getting really pissed right now...)
    I never like it when people imply that only one path is correct when there are more than 20 ways to skin a cat. The statement above implies that all compression all the time will always make something worse. That's not been my experience. I can respect your opinion, but I have to admit I'm curious how a person makes something the kids/clients like without it. My tastes are often in line with the kids/clients, so that may be my problem.

    However, the purpose in on-air compression was never to make music sound better, but to ensure that the station could approach maximum modulation more frequently so that it would appear louder to sales reps trying to sell air time:-)
    Interesting. I never heard a loudness argument for radio. I always thought the compressors were there simply because radio waves weren't capable of playing back large dynamics. I don't know much about the specifics.
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    Thats why I said: dont say thats good music but just say I like that music...maybe a question of just how to put things but i´m very strict about that, cant help it, my parents were teachers and that messes you up. and even when I put on a wig and a robe, I still have no right to judge if something is ´good´, just the people would say: look at him, the fool and they would be right. I guess you havent heard the New Beat wave in Belgium in the eighties? talking about music...

    And i dont imply that only one path is correct, I thought i made myself clear...(all paths lead to rome)" everyone who reaches his goal is right" implies that you! can do whatever you! want to get to were you! want to be (we arent allowed to use capitals i thought?). if you want to go where I! want to be, thats a different case..

    and maybe I shouldnt use the phrase " compression to make something sound better? I guess we know better than that" (you missed the smiley, thats not fair!) , but I thought that the winking smiley behind it would make it clear that I didnt mean it (or not really)? or should I find out what a winking smiley stands for? I´ve got niece that always tells me she never knows I am serious or not, if you pay attention you will know (the winking smiley really was a giveaway), most people just smile at me as they would do to a retarded person...

    maybe its best I dont write anything anymore because each time I did , I got a comparable reaction. music is no matter of live and dead, it is just the nicest thing you can do! please relax a little and dont take everything so serious, its not healthy. .

    the best

    I wanted to say another thing about the loudness stuff and radio but I will leave that to the others.
    Updated 08-02-2012 at 02:22 AM by GrooveMaster
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    As far as creating new songs... If we would tune our instruments differently (and not drop c) but to something like
    E-D
    B-A
    G-F sharp
    D-B
    A-E
    E-A
    Led Zep used to do alot of open tuning stuff... But this would be completely irrational tunning. I remember though. When the tri-tone was discovered Christians in robes with rings banned it and burned people alive for using it.
    When minor scales were discovered the whole world felt changed! (Gloomy sunday is a good example).
    There are people in Robes telling us what is good music. That why there is a chart on itunes and a top 10 on the radio.

    Though maybe a higher council from quality control of music should be indited for Recording-Review (though with the fact that there is so much music out there it would take a super-vulcan to process all that information).

    Where were you guys when I was arguing the negative effects of using compression ?
    Glad to see that you guys prefer clean music over distorted (compression counts as distortion because it modifies the original sound in one way or another).
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    yep, the tritone was considered in classical music as the "diabolus in musica" (the devil in music) although in later years Vivaldi, Beethoven and Debussy used it, a few years later(around 1900) there were some guys in the cottonfield that called it a blue note and even later some freaks used it to make their diminished chords while playing their long improvisations...(Monk, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane..)

    I wont comment on the higher council thing...just take my robe, put on my ring and going for a stroll...

    negative effects of using compression? hey, compression is the best invention ever! (couldnt help myself)
    sorry, didnt read it, dont read everything, just here and there, maybe you could point me in the right direction because I didnt find it...but i wont give any comment, just interested in what people say.
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    good ones.

    1) i remember reading years ago andy wallace would throw a bus compressor on very early. i think his point was to mix for where it would go.

    5) matching volume is important for everything. good point. louder does sound better. not a joke. it's the fletcher-munson-ation of things. when you match volume on compression it tend to be less impressive. and this is done by ears not meters...totally about perception imo.

    2) interesting point. there are some "compressors" that allow you to compress the peaks as well as raise some of the quiet stuff. in essence this causes less deviation from the original signal. i would expect less artifacts.

    3) oh i break this one all the time. but i will try it your way. makes sense to me. when you sum the drums there is natural cancellation. why not wait for this then compress as you say. this can also be applied to many tracks of vocals etc. set up a buss, sum them, then see what you need to add.

    i might throw in a #6. reference a lively mix with dynamics still in place. kind of a compression ref. as many times as i hear it i still love smells like teen spirit. straight up.
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    Hey ! good job bringing the discussion back on topic !
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    Originally Posted by brandondrury
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    The plan is to start with 450 ultra-mega-Brandon-style videos on the topic of setting up a studio, mixing, tracking, and dealing with clients that range from the ultra basics to the ultra absurd.
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    Originally Posted by brandondrury
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    Believe it or not I'm not far on this, but I'm having some technical issues.
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    Originally Posted by brandondrury
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    This book is 90% written and focuses entirely on how to make a living at this stupid gig and how to avoid the 6,000 bear traps I've already stepped in.
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    Plus, you forgot to mention that you can (for the next month) press the '+1' button for your family status
    The first months are known not to really be easy to schedule